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		<title>By: Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2006/06/19/oh-my-god/comment-page-1/#comment-3135</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of it looks bad- I&#039;d probably like this show- but it all looks really obvious:&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;blockquote&gt;    We will keep the history of the characters, but give them the full range of dramatic&lt;br&gt;
    possibilities that exist now, as opposed to the more rigid standards that existed in 1968.&lt;br&gt;
    More complex, adult relationships.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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And so on. Not much about how you&#039;d actually do that. There&#039;s a proposal for a mystery at the heart of the universe, but it&#039;s just another Von Daniken god-race. You can practically hear that producer asking Harlan Ellison if he could put Mayans in somewhere.&lt;br&gt;
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Where stories are suggested, they seem to miss the point of the source material they&#039;re reusing:&lt;br&gt;
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   &lt;blockquote&gt; We know that the Enterprise was once infested with tiny cute Tribbles piled three fight high&lt;br&gt;
    in some places...but what if they came equipped with an agenda, an attitude...and teeth?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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Then they&#039;re just rats with an agenda. The only reason &quot;The Trouble with Tribbles&quot; works is that the tribble &quot;threat&quot; is absurd. Compare that to Ron Moore&#039;s reuse of the Pegasus. He kept exactly what made the original Caine story interesting, then built the new story around it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of it looks bad- I&#8217;d probably like this show- but it all looks really obvious:</p>
<blockquote><p>    We will keep the history of the characters, but give them the full range of dramatic<br />
    possibilities that exist now, as opposed to the more rigid standards that existed in 1968.<br />
    More complex, adult relationships.</p></blockquote>
<p>And so on. Not much about how you&#8217;d actually do that. There&#8217;s a proposal for a mystery at the heart of the universe, but it&#8217;s just another Von Daniken god-race. You can practically hear that producer asking Harlan Ellison if he could put Mayans in somewhere.</p>
<p>Where stories are suggested, they seem to miss the point of the source material they&#8217;re reusing:</p>
<blockquote><p> We know that the Enterprise was once infested with tiny cute Tribbles piled three fight high<br />
    in some places&#8230;but what if they came equipped with an agenda, an attitude&#8230;and teeth?</p></blockquote>
<p>Then they&#8217;re just rats with an agenda. The only reason &#8220;The Trouble with Tribbles&#8221; works is that the tribble &#8220;threat&#8221; is absurd. Compare that to Ron Moore&#8217;s reuse of the Pegasus. He kept exactly what made the original Caine story interesting, then built the new story around it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ironwood</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2006/06/19/oh-my-god/comment-page-1/#comment-3134</link>
		<dc:creator>Ironwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point is that, right now, Star Trek doesn&#039;t &#039;work&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point is that, right now, Star Trek doesn&#8217;t &#8216;work&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Hellfire</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2006/06/19/oh-my-god/comment-page-1/#comment-3133</link>
		<dc:creator>Hellfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMS is great, but I wouldn&#039;t want to see his take on Trek. I love Whedon to death, but I would also not enjoy his take on Trek either. Trek isn&#039;t their show,  they both require complete creative freedom to deliver good shows. Inside the confines of Trek canon they&#039;d just be flailing about trying to redesign things so that they make sense - and that&#039;s kinda not how Star Trek works.&lt;br&gt;
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Granted, they both do superior work in comics but they *started* with creations that were wholly theirs (Fray, Rising Stars) in addition to their adapted franchises before they were given near complete authority over a major and established franchise.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Of course &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117941815?categoryid=10&amp;cs=1&amp;query=j+and+j+and+abrams&amp;display=j+j+abrams&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;J.J. Abrams&lt;/a&gt; actually will be &quot;revamping&quot; the series for really reals...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMS is great, but I wouldn&#8217;t want to see his take on Trek. I love Whedon to death, but I would also not enjoy his take on Trek either. Trek isn&#8217;t their show,  they both require complete creative freedom to deliver good shows. Inside the confines of Trek canon they&#8217;d just be flailing about trying to redesign things so that they make sense &#8211; and that&#8217;s kinda not how Star Trek works.</p>
<p>Granted, they both do superior work in comics but they *started* with creations that were wholly theirs (Fray, Rising Stars) in addition to their adapted franchises before they were given near complete authority over a major and established franchise.</p>
<p>Of course <a href="http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117941815?categoryid=10&amp;cs=1&amp;query=j+and+j+and+abrams&amp;display=j+j+abrams" rel="nofollow">J.J. Abrams</a> actually will be &#8220;revamping&#8221; the series for really reals&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Mulligan</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2006/06/19/oh-my-god/comment-page-1/#comment-3132</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Mulligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually amazed JMS went back to Paramount after the whole B5-Deep Space Nine crap (apparently, he pitched B5 to Paramount in the early 1990s, who turned it down and then announced DS9. You know, about this space station far from Earth...).&lt;br&gt;
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I&#039;m not amazed that Paramount turned it down.  Having worked with the franchise twice, which means working with Paramount twice, the only surprise here is that JMS&#039;s brain didn&#039;t explode when faced with the total idiocy that can result from Paramount inertia and paranoia regarding ST.  Note that they are not bad people, generally; just caught up in nervousness of maybe breaking the goose that lays the golden eggs and getting blackballed.  This can result in some truly outstanding institutional stupidity.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
An example, you ask?  OK:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
While producing ST: TOS games for Interplay back in the mid-1990s, we had to submit all story ideas to a &quot;canon&quot; person, who would make sure we weren&#039;t completely destroying the ST universe.  One of our writers submitted a story for one of the games based on &quot;The Ultimate Computer&quot; episode, with Dr. Daystrom having been rehabilitated and trying again with the &#039;M&#039; series computers.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
When we received the hand-written comments from Paramount&#039;s &quot;canon-eer&quot;, as we called her, there were only two lines of comment on that story treatment, which were:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&quot;What is this M5 computer shit?&quot;&lt;br&gt;
&quot;This isn&#039;t canon; get rid of it.&quot;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
When we gently enquired about this (while restraining the Producer from jumping in his car, driving to Paramount Studios and strangling the woman with the cord from her desk lamp), it was discovered that she had never watched a single Star Trek epsiode.  Ever.  Not ST:TOS, not ST:TNG, nothing.  How did she get that job?  Apparently, she was the secretary for her predecessor and when he left, they just dumped the work on her as a cost-cutting measure and decided that was much cheaper than hiring another lawyer to look all that stuff over.  Talk about pressure; the poor woman was probably ready to crack, anyway.&lt;br&gt;
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That&#039;s just one example.&lt;br&gt;
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So, no, it is not surprising that Paramount wouldn&#039;t want to reboot the series; that just makes far too much sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually amazed JMS went back to Paramount after the whole B5-Deep Space Nine crap (apparently, he pitched B5 to Paramount in the early 1990s, who turned it down and then announced DS9. You know, about this space station far from Earth&#8230;).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not amazed that Paramount turned it down.  Having worked with the franchise twice, which means working with Paramount twice, the only surprise here is that JMS&#8217;s brain didn&#8217;t explode when faced with the total idiocy that can result from Paramount inertia and paranoia regarding ST.  Note that they are not bad people, generally; just caught up in nervousness of maybe breaking the goose that lays the golden eggs and getting blackballed.  This can result in some truly outstanding institutional stupidity.</p>
<p>An example, you ask?  OK:</p>
<p>While producing ST: TOS games for Interplay back in the mid-1990s, we had to submit all story ideas to a &#8220;canon&#8221; person, who would make sure we weren&#8217;t completely destroying the ST universe.  One of our writers submitted a story for one of the games based on &#8220;The Ultimate Computer&#8221; episode, with Dr. Daystrom having been rehabilitated and trying again with the &#8216;M&#8217; series computers.</p>
<p>When we received the hand-written comments from Paramount&#8217;s &#8220;canon-eer&#8221;, as we called her, there were only two lines of comment on that story treatment, which were:</p>
<p>&#8220;What is this M5 computer shit?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;This isn&#8217;t canon; get rid of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>When we gently enquired about this (while restraining the Producer from jumping in his car, driving to Paramount Studios and strangling the woman with the cord from her desk lamp), it was discovered that she had never watched a single Star Trek epsiode.  Ever.  Not ST:TOS, not ST:TNG, nothing.  How did she get that job?  Apparently, she was the secretary for her predecessor and when he left, they just dumped the work on her as a cost-cutting measure and decided that was much cheaper than hiring another lawyer to look all that stuff over.  Talk about pressure; the poor woman was probably ready to crack, anyway.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just one example.</p>
<p>So, no, it is not surprising that Paramount wouldn&#8217;t want to reboot the series; that just makes far too much sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Crystall</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2006/06/19/oh-my-god/comment-page-1/#comment-3131</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Crystall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, you can&#039;t do origionals when you&#039;re dealing with THE derivative series.&lt;br&gt;
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Snort.&lt;br&gt;
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JMS is very good at what he does, and I enjoy the vast majority of what he works on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, you can&#8217;t do origionals when you&#8217;re dealing with THE derivative series.</p>
<p>Snort.</p>
<p>JMS is very good at what he does, and I enjoy the vast majority of what he works on.</p>
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		<title>By: Ironwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ironwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now imagine a new Star Trek calling upon the talents of writers like Neil Gaiman, Stephen&lt;br&gt;
King, Ray Bradbury, Dean Koontz, Michael Crichton, Anne Rice, Kurt Vonnegut, Anne&lt;br&gt;
McCaffrey, and others.&quot;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Ok, I&#039;m imaging that.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
It sucks tremendously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now imagine a new Star Trek calling upon the talents of writers like Neil Gaiman, Stephen<br />
King, Ray Bradbury, Dean Koontz, Michael Crichton, Anne Rice, Kurt Vonnegut, Anne<br />
McCaffrey, and others.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok, I&#8217;m imaging that.</p>
<p>It sucks tremendously.</p>
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		<title>By: Jurrasic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jurrasic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two words.  Battlestar Galactica.&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;br&gt;
That&#039;s all JMS is trying to do here, &#039;re do&#039; another classic SF series, since the &#039;re do&#039; of Galactica was a roaring success.  (Not sure I agree with that, I am slowly coming to accept the new imagining, I do like the alcoholic Col. Tigh, but I still can NOT accept Starbuck as a woman, cigars or no)&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
So this is hardly a new idea from JMS, and Paramount probablly didn&#039;t want to be accused of &#039;me tooism&#039; like all the reality shows after Big Brother/Survivor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two words.  Battlestar Galactica.</p>
<p>
That&#8217;s all JMS is trying to do here, &#8216;re do&#8217; another classic SF series, since the &#8216;re do&#8217; of Galactica was a roaring success.  (Not sure I agree with that, I am slowly coming to accept the new imagining, I do like the alcoholic Col. Tigh, but I still can NOT accept Starbuck as a woman, cigars or no)</p>
<p>So this is hardly a new idea from JMS, and Paramount probablly didn&#8217;t want to be accused of &#8216;me tooism&#8217; like all the reality shows after Big Brother/Survivor.</p>
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		<title>By: JLB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I for one would love the idea of a reimagined ST, as long as drivel like ST:TNG is kept far far away from it, I wojuld be happy.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Me, loved the original and the last part of ST:E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I for one would love the idea of a reimagined ST, as long as drivel like ST:TNG is kept far far away from it, I wojuld be happy.</p>
<p>Me, loved the original and the last part of ST:E</p>
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		<title>By: Malderi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malderi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing better than JMS doing five seasons of original Trek would be JMS doing six seasons of original Trek.</description>
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		<title>By: Evangolis</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2006/06/19/oh-my-god/comment-page-1/#comment-3126</link>
		<dc:creator>Evangolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Goe, against reimagining the old when there\&#039;e2\&#039;80\&#039;99s so much that hasn\&#039;e2\&#039;80\&#039;99t been imagined the first time yet.&quot;&lt;br&gt;
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Evangolis, who usually doesn&#039;t agree with Goe as much as he does on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Goe, against reimagining the old when there\&#8217;e2\&#8217;80\&#8217;99s so much that hasn\&#8217;e2\&#8217;80\&#8217;99t been imagined the first time yet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Evangolis, who usually doesn&#8217;t agree with Goe as much as he does on this one.</p>
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