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		<title>By: Concerned parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oldciver &amp; others have it right.&lt;br&gt;
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1. It takes a lot of time to monitor your kids (I know because I do it)&lt;br&gt;
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2. Kids make multiple myspaces - and there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY because no real proof of ID is required. The CREDIT CARD soluation is very valid - kids would should have to supply a PARENTS email address &amp; the parent would need to use it to respond with Credit card info. I WOULD BE HAPPY to pay a nominal fee so that my kids cannot access myspace w/o my knowledge. This would prevent item 3.&lt;br&gt;
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3. Todays kids are smart enough to create the myspace they don&#039;t want parents to see elsewhere - and use pc&#039;s other than the one at home to check them.  They often have a &quot;parent-approved&quot; myspace too.  It can be IMPOSSIBLE to find the one they don&#039;t want you to see if it is never accessed from your home PC.  (Try it - see how many kids have your kids&#039; name, like the same sports, etc).&lt;br&gt;
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4. Even after checking with every parent my kid visits, I still find that they get access outside my control, because other parents don&#039;t always admit to not checking.&lt;br&gt;
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5. blame the parents - many of us do work very hard to instill values in our kids - and peer pressure &amp; internet access interfere with those teachings every day.  If you&#039;ve never heard Bill Cosby talk about &#039;brain damage&#039; in reference to kids &amp; their memory about parental input, then you are not a parent and you don&#039;t really get it.&lt;br&gt;
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6. yes, required for homework and now some schools don&#039;t even issue BOOKS - kids have to use a webpage to learn the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldciver &amp; others have it right.</p>
<p>1. It takes a lot of time to monitor your kids (I know because I do it)</p>
<p>2. Kids make multiple myspaces &#8211; and there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY because no real proof of ID is required. The CREDIT CARD soluation is very valid &#8211; kids would should have to supply a PARENTS email address &amp; the parent would need to use it to respond with Credit card info. I WOULD BE HAPPY to pay a nominal fee so that my kids cannot access myspace w/o my knowledge. This would prevent item 3.</p>
<p>3. Todays kids are smart enough to create the myspace they don&#8217;t want parents to see elsewhere &#8211; and use pc&#8217;s other than the one at home to check them.  They often have a &#8220;parent-approved&#8221; myspace too.  It can be IMPOSSIBLE to find the one they don&#8217;t want you to see if it is never accessed from your home PC.  (Try it &#8211; see how many kids have your kids&#8217; name, like the same sports, etc).</p>
<p>4. Even after checking with every parent my kid visits, I still find that they get access outside my control, because other parents don&#8217;t always admit to not checking.</p>
<p>5. blame the parents &#8211; many of us do work very hard to instill values in our kids &#8211; and peer pressure &amp; internet access interfere with those teachings every day.  If you&#8217;ve never heard Bill Cosby talk about &#8216;brain damage&#8217; in reference to kids &amp; their memory about parental input, then you are not a parent and you don&#8217;t really get it.</p>
<p>6. yes, required for homework and now some schools don&#8217;t even issue BOOKS &#8211; kids have to use a webpage to learn the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: oldciver</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldciver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The internet is a phone line connected to your computer. If you don\&#039;e2\&#039;80\&#039;99t understand it, unplug it. &quot;&lt;br&gt;
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Can&#039;t.  Homework now comes over the internet.    Teachers look at the kids funny when they ask for hard copies in class.  Notifications of school events via email.  Etc, etc.&lt;br&gt;
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Short of moving to Amish country, we dont got no choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The internet is a phone line connected to your computer. If you don\&#8217;e2\&#8217;80\&#8217;99t understand it, unplug it. &#8220;</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t.  Homework now comes over the internet.    Teachers look at the kids funny when they ask for hard copies in class.  Notifications of school events via email.  Etc, etc.</p>
<p>Short of moving to Amish country, we dont got no choice.</p>
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		<title>By: oldciver</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldciver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably a junk lawsuit, whatever.&lt;br&gt;
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BUT - its IMPOSSIBLE to monitor everything your kid does.    24/7.  Thats absurd blame the parents BS.   one cause of the logistics of it, and two, cause if you want to have a good relationship with your kid, you WONT be on top of everything they do.&lt;br&gt;
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Back in the old days, when there WAS store bought butter, but a helluva lot less electronics,   there WAS the possibility of bad stuff happening when your kid went out.   But at least you had some control over your home.&lt;br&gt;
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I dont have an answer re &quot;my space&quot;.   But im getting tired of folks blaming parents constantly, and saying how easy it is too parent against the junk filled culture.&lt;br&gt;
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Hillary, at least, is sympathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably a junk lawsuit, whatever.</p>
<p>BUT &#8211; its IMPOSSIBLE to monitor everything your kid does.    24/7.  Thats absurd blame the parents BS.   one cause of the logistics of it, and two, cause if you want to have a good relationship with your kid, you WONT be on top of everything they do.</p>
<p>Back in the old days, when there WAS store bought butter, but a helluva lot less electronics,   there WAS the possibility of bad stuff happening when your kid went out.   But at least you had some control over your home.</p>
<p>I dont have an answer re &#8220;my space&#8221;.   But im getting tired of folks blaming parents constantly, and saying how easy it is too parent against the junk filled culture.</p>
<p>Hillary, at least, is sympathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawsuits like these make me wonder if I&#039;m the only parent who actively monitors their kids online time/sites visited/who they talk to as much as I do their offline activities.  I get called over-protective, but I know what my kids are doing at any given time.  To the best of my understanding, that&#039;s all part of the &quot;parent&quot; job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawsuits like these make me wonder if I&#8217;m the only parent who actively monitors their kids online time/sites visited/who they talk to as much as I do their offline activities.  I get called over-protective, but I know what my kids are doing at any given time.  To the best of my understanding, that&#8217;s all part of the &#8220;parent&#8221; job.</p>
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		<title>By: Toastrider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toastrider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is; it&#039;s called &#039;loser pays&#039;. However, the ambulance-chasers sure as hell aren&#039;t going to stand for that, because it&#039;d cripple their income flow. Couple that with how lawyers deliberately try to ensure juries are packed with the stupidest sheep on the planet, and, well... you get the idea.&lt;br&gt;
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--TR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is; it&#8217;s called &#8216;loser pays&#8217;. However, the ambulance-chasers sure as hell aren&#8217;t going to stand for that, because it&#8217;d cripple their income flow. Couple that with how lawyers deliberately try to ensure juries are packed with the stupidest sheep on the planet, and, well&#8230; you get the idea.</p>
<p>&#8211;TR</p>
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		<title>By: Gwaendar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwaendar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Behind every similar story there is probably an ambulance chasing lawyer telling distressed parents that it isn&#039;t their fault, there just has to be a big bad corporation to blame instead.&lt;br&gt;
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There should be a way to ensure a lawyer involved in a frivolous lawsuit wouldn&#039;t get paid...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Behind every similar story there is probably an ambulance chasing lawyer telling distressed parents that it isn&#8217;t their fault, there just has to be a big bad corporation to blame instead.</p>
<p>There should be a way to ensure a lawyer involved in a frivolous lawsuit wouldn&#8217;t get paid&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FNORD</title>
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		<dc:creator>FNORD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, in fact, he was 1 year older than he claimed to be.&lt;br&gt;
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Do the mother and daughter think that you only become capable of sexual assault when you graduate from high school?  A 14 year-old meeting an 18 year-old she doesn&#039;t know is STILL stupid.  He could have been exactly who he claimed to be and still assaulted her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, in fact, he was 1 year older than he claimed to be.</p>
<p>Do the mother and daughter think that you only become capable of sexual assault when you graduate from high school?  A 14 year-old meeting an 18 year-old she doesn&#8217;t know is STILL stupid.  He could have been exactly who he claimed to be and still assaulted her.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Neel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Neel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/technology/12myspace.html?ei=5088&amp;en=29b36e60a62e471e&amp;ex=1302494400&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss&amp;adxnnlx=1150862743-VJAyUVjvtDn5otCHwBd9IQ&lt;br&gt;
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MySpace has &quot;hired Hemanshu Nigam, director of consumer security outreach and child-safe computing at the Microsoft Corporation, to oversee safety, education and privacy programs and law enforcement affairs.  Mr. Nigam has also served as a federal prosecutor of Internet child exploitation cases, an adviser to a Congressional commission on online child safety and an adviser to the White House on cyberstalking.&quot;  That was in April.  To the people claiming MySpace &quot;needs to do more&quot; what more do you want?&lt;br&gt;
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And think about what you are asking... Verified ID?  So, you want a company to force zero anonymity among it&#039;s users - this is better how (for you, not for the guy staking you)?  Might I also mention the freedom of speech issue here; anonymity is critial to the flow of free speech (McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission) - the goverment does not have the power to force MySpace to idenitfy it&#039;s users, nor should it.&lt;br&gt;
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The internet is a phone line connected to your computer.  If you don&#039;t understand it, unplug it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/technology/12myspace.html?ei=5088&#038;en=29b36e60a62e471e&#038;ex=1302494400&#038;adxnnl=1&#038;partner=rssnyt&#038;emc=rss&#038;adxnnlx=1150862743-VJAyUVjvtDn5otCHwBd9IQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/technology/12myspace.html?ei=5088&#038;en=29b36e60a62e471e&#038;ex=1302494400&#038;adxnnl=1&#038;partner=rssnyt&#038;emc=rss&#038;adxnnlx=1150862743-VJAyUVjvtDn5otCHwBd9IQ</a></p>
<p>MySpace has &#8220;hired Hemanshu Nigam, director of consumer security outreach and child-safe computing at the Microsoft Corporation, to oversee safety, education and privacy programs and law enforcement affairs.  Mr. Nigam has also served as a federal prosecutor of Internet child exploitation cases, an adviser to a Congressional commission on online child safety and an adviser to the White House on cyberstalking.&#8221;  That was in April.  To the people claiming MySpace &#8220;needs to do more&#8221; what more do you want?</p>
<p>And think about what you are asking&#8230; Verified ID?  So, you want a company to force zero anonymity among it&#8217;s users &#8211; this is better how (for you, not for the guy staking you)?  Might I also mention the freedom of speech issue here; anonymity is critial to the flow of free speech (McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission) &#8211; the goverment does not have the power to force MySpace to idenitfy it&#8217;s users, nor should it.</p>
<p>The internet is a phone line connected to your computer.  If you don&#8217;t understand it, unplug it.</p>
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		<title>By: TPRJones</title>
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		<dc:creator>TPRJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The parent is always at fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The parent is always at fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Boanerges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boanerges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason everyone is quick to jump on the mother is that she&#039;s filed a lawsuit blaming, at least partially, a third party company for something that Bad man X did to Girl Y. At least austensibly it falls in the vein of other suits like:&lt;br&gt;
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*Parent in SUV runs over (and kills) daughter and sues auto make because rear view cameras aren&#039;t standard equipment&lt;br&gt;
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*Fat guy and fat teens sue McDonalds for making them fat&lt;br&gt;
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I could go on but you get the idea. The point that they&#039;re making is &quot;A bad thing happened to my daughter and IT&#039;S NOT MY FAULT&quot;. That&#039;s generally why you file a lawsuit: you want someone to own up to their responsilibity in a monitary way. The problem here is that you&#039;re saying that MySpace did something bad. But I fail to see how a free service that asks you the &quot;standard&quot; questions has somehow missed the mark. The key questions here are this&lt;br&gt;
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1. What more, in your eyes, does MySpace need to do besides ask &quot;Are you a kidde predator?&quot; What verification scheme would you use? Credit cards are a nice thought but why should their right to run a free site be impinged upon in such a manner? And what&#039;s to stop tweenz from just starting their own blog on wordpress, blogger or any of the other free sites where they could just as easily be stalked?&lt;br&gt;
2. Why is it that all the financial responsibility falls to MySpace? In fact, why do we not have a &quot;loser pays&quot; system where you might think twice about filing a lawsuit against a website who provided you a free webpage and assumed you&#039;d be a responsible person and not, say, run off to meet person X whom you just met on the Internet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason everyone is quick to jump on the mother is that she&#8217;s filed a lawsuit blaming, at least partially, a third party company for something that Bad man X did to Girl Y. At least austensibly it falls in the vein of other suits like:</p>
<p>*Parent in SUV runs over (and kills) daughter and sues auto make because rear view cameras aren&#8217;t standard equipment</p>
<p>*Fat guy and fat teens sue McDonalds for making them fat</p>
<p>I could go on but you get the idea. The point that they&#8217;re making is &#8220;A bad thing happened to my daughter and IT&#8217;S NOT MY FAULT&#8221;. That&#8217;s generally why you file a lawsuit: you want someone to own up to their responsilibity in a monitary way. The problem here is that you&#8217;re saying that MySpace did something bad. But I fail to see how a free service that asks you the &#8220;standard&#8221; questions has somehow missed the mark. The key questions here are this</p>
<p>1. What more, in your eyes, does MySpace need to do besides ask &#8220;Are you a kidde predator?&#8221; What verification scheme would you use? Credit cards are a nice thought but why should their right to run a free site be impinged upon in such a manner? And what&#8217;s to stop tweenz from just starting their own blog on wordpress, blogger or any of the other free sites where they could just as easily be stalked?<br />
2. Why is it that all the financial responsibility falls to MySpace? In fact, why do we not have a &#8220;loser pays&#8221; system where you might think twice about filing a lawsuit against a website who provided you a free webpage and assumed you&#8217;d be a responsible person and not, say, run off to meet person X whom you just met on the Internet?</p>
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