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By: Tahz

Tahz — Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:22:50 +0000

@Brask Mumei:

In your example, do you really have to have Civilization 5 that badly? Trying to change something comes at a cost. Civ5 isn’t like insulin that a diabetic needs to survive. You have to forego a little entertainment to get a message across. The ‘legal competitor’ would not be an ad-free Civ 5, but another game entirely. Only when ALL games have ads are there no choices left.

By: TheeNickster

TheeNickster — Thu, 07 Sep 2006 01:14:43 +0000

Spammers exist because somebody actually buys the stuff being hawked. We consumers could simply declare that we’re not going to buy stuff that’s advertised in-game or that randomly appears in our inbox.

When it stops working, it’ll stop choking us off from our fun.

By: Andrew Crystall

Andrew Crystall — Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:34:16 +0000

Stormwaltz, I see that as digging your head in the sand, sorry.

Publishers are going to demand adverts in games. What matters is the form. Placing adverts firect from the websites and other sources...is going to be the default unless a deliberate stance is made that games require tailored and appropriate adverts.

Of course, bluntly, for things like the EA sports games this covers nearly everything. If you go to those stadiums in real life, there are adverts. If the company ways to set up an arrangement with EA to same the same placement in their games, that's...MORE realistic, not less!

Jarnis, given those adverts crash the Eve fronmt end for a number of players, requiring ini file changes to bypass them, I'd hardly describe Eve as "doing it right".

By: Brask Mumei

Brask Mumei — Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:44:42 +0000

I’m glad people have pointed out that “vote with your wallet” is a useless request. If Civilization 5 comes out with advertising, there is no way I can vote with my wallet. I am presented with an ultimatum by the publisher: Take Civ 5 with advertising, or take nothing. There is no legal competitor to get an advertising free version of Civ 5 from.

By: Stormwaltz

Stormwaltz — Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:03:27 +0000

I don't buy games with in-game ads (fair trade cases like AO excepted), and I try to dissuade others from buying them.

And I'd do the same if I'd worked on the game.

That's how strongly I feel about this.

Madison Avenue: you're in their world now.

By: chabuhi

chabuhi — Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:57:20 +0000

Well as someone above stated, the ONLY way to stop it is to vote with your wallet. But, I fear people want "stuff" more than they want not to be annoyed by ads in games.

It's like the multitudes of Chicagoans who bemoan Macy's disposal of the Marshall Fields name but will continue to shop there.

We simply like our stuff too much to make a real stand.

By: Dan Davies Brackett

Dan Davies Brackett — Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:24:19 +0000

Advertising starts as a necessary evil, and becomes the status quo. It’s a prisoner’s dilemma; game makers have until recently been cooperating with one another, refusing the in-game ad revenue stream, and customers have benefited; however, as soon as one game caves to the pressure and defects, there’s incentive for others to follow suit. Just like TV.

Sigh.

By: Stephen W.

Stephen W. — Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:36:32 +0000

It’s an unfortunate fact of life that advertising tends to find its way into anything that gets enough attention. Complaining about it at this point will do nothing to make it go away, since advertisers testing the video game venue have seen a sufficient ROI to wet their appetites. There’s really no stopping it now.

I imagine advertisers will let up some after the first few years, which is the period of time it will take the most jaded gamers to develop banner blindness. Once that happens, ROIs will come back to reasonable levels and developers might think twice about the value of the ads versus the cost to gameplay.

By: Tahz

Tahz — Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:07:45 +0000

Why do we even need to justify our distaste for ads with reasons like “it breaks immersion” or “it doesn’t fit in with the world.” It’s as if the onus is on the players to prove that they don’t want ads and that if they can’t come up with an airtight argument, ads are good! We should like them!

The hell with storytelling, persistence, or theme as lame excuses for or against ads. I hate ads because ads are ANNOYING in and of themselves, regardless of context. No one who is paying for a service needs to explain why they don’t like ads. I imagine they’d also be a performance drain. (extra dynamically swapped textures and such)

Don’t let a game with in-game ads get any of your money. It won’t get any of mine. That’s the only way your opinion will matter.