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	<title>Comments on: Yep, eBay&#8217;s Out Of The MMO Business</title>
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		<title>By: eBay says no more to Virtual Listings. And to money. at What Would Matt Do</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/01/26/yep-ebays-out-of-the-mmo-business/comment-page-1/#comment-6782</link>
		<dc:creator>eBay says no more to Virtual Listings. And to money. at What Would Matt Do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the point here? IGE (and others) must be cackling gleefully (as someone on BT put it). Yeah, the selling and buying of virtual property has inherent risks (i.e. - you have to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the point here? IGE (and others) must be cackling gleefully (as someone on BT put it). Yeah, the selling and buying of virtual property has inherent risks (i.e. &#8211; you have to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TheLASTjay</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/01/26/yep-ebays-out-of-the-mmo-business/comment-page-1/#comment-6796</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLASTjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eBay may be out, But Lum is not!

AdWords seems to think you are all about the RMT love now.  Front page box at the bottom selling me gold in 3, and a level 70 guide in 1. :x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eBay may be out, But Lum is not!</p>
<p>AdWords seems to think you are all about the RMT love now.  Front page box at the bottom selling me gold in 3, and a level 70 guide in 1. <img src='http://www.brokentoys.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif' alt=':x' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: blachawk</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/01/26/yep-ebays-out-of-the-mmo-business/comment-page-1/#comment-6795</link>
		<dc:creator>blachawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;eBay would just rather not deal with the hassle of someone buying duped gold, then getting their account banned, and dealing with the ensuing complaints.&quot;

I think you&#039;re closest to the mark so far.  I have 4 negative comments in my feedback history and ALL of them are from buyers of virtual items who tried to get their money back after I transferred the goods to them in-game.  I don&#039;t regularly sell virtual goods.  But, when I move on from a game, I usually break up my account, sell what I can, and use the proceeds to upgrade my PC or something similar.  Of the approximately 20 transactions I&#039;ve made as a seller, 4 were with scammers.

One guy in particular put on a good show.  He paid me US$1050 for a Tram castle in UO (in 2003), and within 5 minutes of me transferring it to one of his characters, there was a paypal dispute in my inbox.  My only saving grace was that paypal did not offer any sort of intervention/resolution in virtual items sales.

I&#039;m sure the incidence of scamming, both from a seller&#039;s and buyer&#039;s perspective, are insanely high in the virtual goods market.  It only makes sense for Ebay to get out now before there is an enormous lawsuit filed against them that helps define the legal status of virtual good sales for the rest of us.  They have little to gain and a hell of a lot to lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;eBay would just rather not deal with the hassle of someone buying duped gold, then getting their account banned, and dealing with the ensuing complaints.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re closest to the mark so far.  I have 4 negative comments in my feedback history and ALL of them are from buyers of virtual items who tried to get their money back after I transferred the goods to them in-game.  I don&#8217;t regularly sell virtual goods.  But, when I move on from a game, I usually break up my account, sell what I can, and use the proceeds to upgrade my PC or something similar.  Of the approximately 20 transactions I&#8217;ve made as a seller, 4 were with scammers.</p>
<p>One guy in particular put on a good show.  He paid me US$1050 for a Tram castle in UO (in 2003), and within 5 minutes of me transferring it to one of his characters, there was a paypal dispute in my inbox.  My only saving grace was that paypal did not offer any sort of intervention/resolution in virtual items sales.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the incidence of scamming, both from a seller&#8217;s and buyer&#8217;s perspective, are insanely high in the virtual goods market.  It only makes sense for Ebay to get out now before there is an enormous lawsuit filed against them that helps define the legal status of virtual good sales for the rest of us.  They have little to gain and a hell of a lot to lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Angry Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angry Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when is this supposed to take place? &#039;Cause I just bought 500 gold for my belf on Malfurion about an hour ago on Ebay...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when is this supposed to take place? &#8216;Cause I just bought 500 gold for my belf on Malfurion about an hour ago on Ebay&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Naladini</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/01/26/yep-ebays-out-of-the-mmo-business/comment-page-1/#comment-6780</link>
		<dc:creator>Naladini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. Remember, not everyone looks at their business from an MMO-centric point of view, in fact, that&#039;s probably why eBay has been so successful to this point. ;)

As I noted with my Wii experience, eBay seems to be clamping down and helping to enforce the legitimacy of auctions. By doing so, they better position their site against future competition. I applaud them for that move, its far better for them to proactively improve their services than it is for them to rest on their laurels and wait for a competitor to come along and do it better.

Just because they ban transactions that are difficult to monitor, and are likely a huge source of complaints, does not mean they have an agenda with either RMT in principle or the sanctity of MMO games and regulations.  Its just an ugly transaction to have to manage to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. Remember, not everyone looks at their business from an MMO-centric point of view, in fact, that&#8217;s probably why eBay has been so successful to this point. <img src='http://www.brokentoys.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As I noted with my Wii experience, eBay seems to be clamping down and helping to enforce the legitimacy of auctions. By doing so, they better position their site against future competition. I applaud them for that move, its far better for them to proactively improve their services than it is for them to rest on their laurels and wait for a competitor to come along and do it better.</p>
<p>Just because they ban transactions that are difficult to monitor, and are likely a huge source of complaints, does not mean they have an agenda with either RMT in principle or the sanctity of MMO games and regulations.  Its just an ugly transaction to have to manage to.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Crystall</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/01/26/yep-ebays-out-of-the-mmo-business/comment-page-1/#comment-6794</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Crystall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Schlecht, same argument applies to real items. It&#039;s not hard to fake shipping receipts.

Actually, Eve-Online has a guaranteed transfer process for gametime codes (which is entirely legitimate), which involves several in-game evemails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schlecht, same argument applies to real items. It&#8217;s not hard to fake shipping receipts.</p>
<p>Actually, Eve-Online has a guaranteed transfer process for gametime codes (which is entirely legitimate), which involves several in-game evemails.</p>
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		<title>By: Schlecht</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/01/26/yep-ebays-out-of-the-mmo-business/comment-page-1/#comment-6793</link>
		<dc:creator>Schlecht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t guarantee the transfer of virtual items. How do you know if someone received what they payed for? The whole thing is like a legal blackhole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t guarantee the transfer of virtual items. How do you know if someone received what they payed for? The whole thing is like a legal blackhole.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Crystall</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/01/26/yep-ebays-out-of-the-mmo-business/comment-page-1/#comment-6792</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Crystall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link: http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,55926,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link: <a href="http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,55926,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,55926,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Crystall</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/01/26/yep-ebays-out-of-the-mmo-business/comment-page-1/#comment-6791</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Crystall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically IGE/Yantis benefit. And they&#039;d rather get the guild leader to empty his coffers (and cost you 20 customers a month down the line)  than deal with 20 small-time sellers.

Ebay is known for arbitrary descisions on IP (you can easily find people banned for selling, say, their own music on Ebay). This is just another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically IGE/Yantis benefit. And they&#8217;d rather get the guild leader to empty his coffers (and cost you 20 customers a month down the line)  than deal with 20 small-time sellers.</p>
<p>Ebay is known for arbitrary descisions on IP (you can easily find people banned for selling, say, their own music on Ebay). This is just another.</p>
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		<title>By: Naladini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naladini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it eBay legal blinking? Or is it eBay customer service not wanting to deal with the plethora of scams or bad trades?

I bought my Wii on eBay, and noticed that during that time they added a number of safeguards to the process, including showing dated receipts with the ebay username to help provide a more scam free environment. They also routinely pulled auctions that weren&#039;t legit, even after bidding had started or completed.

I would wager that with the number of MMO companies that clamp down on cheating, whether it be dup bugs, macro farming, &quot;odd&quot; trades, etc, eBay would just rather not deal with the hassle of someone buying duped gold, then getting their account banned, and dealing with the ensuing complaints.

If eBay is making a conscious effort to provide as legitimate an overall trading environment as possible, then banning RMT is really a no brainer, and it has little to do with the MMO companies themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it eBay legal blinking? Or is it eBay customer service not wanting to deal with the plethora of scams or bad trades?</p>
<p>I bought my Wii on eBay, and noticed that during that time they added a number of safeguards to the process, including showing dated receipts with the ebay username to help provide a more scam free environment. They also routinely pulled auctions that weren&#8217;t legit, even after bidding had started or completed.</p>
<p>I would wager that with the number of MMO companies that clamp down on cheating, whether it be dup bugs, macro farming, &#8220;odd&#8221; trades, etc, eBay would just rather not deal with the hassle of someone buying duped gold, then getting their account banned, and dealing with the ensuing complaints.</p>
<p>If eBay is making a conscious effort to provide as legitimate an overall trading environment as possible, then banning RMT is really a no brainer, and it has little to do with the MMO companies themselves.</p>
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