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		<title>By: Broken Toys &#187; SOE Adds RMT To Vanguard, Vision In A Corner Weeping Softly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broken Toys &#187; SOE Adds RMT To Vanguard, Vision In A Corner Weeping Softly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] actually funded buyouts of Vanguard player-run sites as a pre-emptive strike against&#8230; well, it&#8217;s not really clear what, any [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nach0king</title>
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		<dc:creator>nach0king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 09:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While his &quot;OK, if we can just get the WHOLE WORLD to upgrade then everything will be ok!!!!!&quot; spiel does indeed reek of Crazy, at least he acknowledges that the &quot;it&#039;s just EQ 3&quot; perception is a failure of marketing. A younger Brad, and indeed almost everyone connected to EQ, would have blamed the users for being so stupid and naive not to have recognised Vanguard&#039;s genius straight away.

Granted, he does that a little bit with his &quot;they don&#039;t do any research!&quot; statement. But still. Progress!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While his &#8220;OK, if we can just get the WHOLE WORLD to upgrade then everything will be ok!!!!!&#8221; spiel does indeed reek of Crazy, at least he acknowledges that the &#8220;it&#8217;s just EQ 3&#8243; perception is a failure of marketing. A younger Brad, and indeed almost everyone connected to EQ, would have blamed the users for being so stupid and naive not to have recognised Vanguard&#8217;s genius straight away.</p>
<p>Granted, he does that a little bit with his &#8220;they don&#8217;t do any research!&#8221; statement. But still. Progress!</p>
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		<title>By: Kamiki</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/04/30/soe-to-snap-up-sigil/comment-page-2/#comment-8006</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 20:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kamiki here, many people in beta may or may not remember me, I played from early 2.0 up until the end and when I left the forums stunk with the hate replies my goodbye post received.

I really wanted to love Vanguard. I followed the game from the Sigil Games Online forums, posted on them, and eventually moved to the Vanguard Forums. I watched the game go from stuttery piece of crap with massive potential to clone of the other games that had discarded much of potential and yet still somehow has enough potential that it could have launched amazingly.

Brad did have an idea but he got scared, or so I think. The Big Book of Sexiness was replaced with a WoW quest/ability ui. The damn interface was given gryphons on either side of a bar the same damn size as WoW, replacing the interesting layout originally used for the original styllized combat. Counters and reactionaries were trashed in favor of a mash style play style ala WoW and EQ2. Instead of fine tuning the reactiionary timer combat they gave up, instead of fine tuning their gorgeous quest tracker, lore tracker, ability and spell book, the gave up. Instead of finishing diplomacy they scrapped it for a side game. They gave up. Time was running out and instead of following their innovations they gave up and cloned the games they all admitted to playing avidly.

I am not bashing WoW and EQ2, far from it. I enjoyed both games for quite some time. I am knocking Brad&#039;s inability to follow through with innovation. His cowardice in back peddling his words and changing his story from &quot;The first 3rd gen innovative game&quot; to &quot;The first 3rd gen progressive game&quot; somewhere along the line he lost sight of what he was trying to create. Would I have liked what he was trying to create? I will never know cause all that he churned out was a half assed regurgitation of the same old shit I can play in other games.

Kamiki
*smiles*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kamiki here, many people in beta may or may not remember me, I played from early 2.0 up until the end and when I left the forums stunk with the hate replies my goodbye post received.</p>
<p>I really wanted to love Vanguard. I followed the game from the Sigil Games Online forums, posted on them, and eventually moved to the Vanguard Forums. I watched the game go from stuttery piece of crap with massive potential to clone of the other games that had discarded much of potential and yet still somehow has enough potential that it could have launched amazingly.</p>
<p>Brad did have an idea but he got scared, or so I think. The Big Book of Sexiness was replaced with a WoW quest/ability ui. The damn interface was given gryphons on either side of a bar the same damn size as WoW, replacing the interesting layout originally used for the original styllized combat. Counters and reactionaries were trashed in favor of a mash style play style ala WoW and EQ2. Instead of fine tuning the reactiionary timer combat they gave up, instead of fine tuning their gorgeous quest tracker, lore tracker, ability and spell book, the gave up. Instead of finishing diplomacy they scrapped it for a side game. They gave up. Time was running out and instead of following their innovations they gave up and cloned the games they all admitted to playing avidly.</p>
<p>I am not bashing WoW and EQ2, far from it. I enjoyed both games for quite some time. I am knocking Brad&#8217;s inability to follow through with innovation. His cowardice in back peddling his words and changing his story from &#8220;The first 3rd gen innovative game&#8221; to &#8220;The first 3rd gen progressive game&#8221; somewhere along the line he lost sight of what he was trying to create. Would I have liked what he was trying to create? I will never know cause all that he churned out was a half assed regurgitation of the same old shit I can play in other games.</p>
<p>Kamiki<br />
*smiles*</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 01:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VG is crap and it was crap when it was released. The game is broke. All this fanboy talk really makes me sick. I&#039;m so glad I BETA ordered so that I avoided paying $$$$ for the POS. I&#039;m an old school EQ player so I don&#039;t mind a hard core game but all the problems with VG is too much.

I figure VG will close if the evil nerf happy monster named SOE does not buy Sigil. The bottom line is the consumer has spoken and Sigil now feels the wrath of angry customers who paid $$$ for a broken POS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VG is crap and it was crap when it was released. The game is broke. All this fanboy talk really makes me sick. I&#8217;m so glad I BETA ordered so that I avoided paying $$$$ for the POS. I&#8217;m an old school EQ player so I don&#8217;t mind a hard core game but all the problems with VG is too much.</p>
<p>I figure VG will close if the evil nerf happy monster named SOE does not buy Sigil. The bottom line is the consumer has spoken and Sigil now feels the wrath of angry customers who paid $$$ for a broken POS.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Macabre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord Macabre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 00:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My major problem with their technical requirements are that I can&#039;t see anything on screen to justify the poor performance.  I&#039;ve got a P4D-3Ghz, 2Gig of memory and a Nvidia 7800GTX.  I have two options, I can either set the game so that it has a passable frame rate, in which case it looks worse than DAOC (which is many years old at this point), or I can crank up the graphics and get abysmal performance with graphics that I personally still don&#039;t think are that great.  Some effects are striking (the water comes to mind), but overall the sum of the parts graphically aren&#039;t anywhere near good enough to explain the terrible performance.

My second issue isn&#039;t that there are bugs, but the sheer quantity and severity of the bugs.  I expect bugs in a new game.  I do not, however, expect to get dropped from groups, randomly disconnected, dropped to desktop, logged out randomly and logged in as a different character (seriously, WTH is that all about), etc.  This game doesn&#039;t just have bugs related to the game engine, it&#039;s just a mess that wasn&#039;t ready for launch.

Finally, the progression of content and the pacing are terrible.  I&#039;m given no direction regarding where I should be progressing.  I find myself wandering countryside randomly looking for something my level to do, and instead just running into either things that are out of my league, or barren and empty entirely.  As someone said, I&#039;d rather they had less total content, but had quality content and had a clear progression path.

I doubt I&#039;d try it again unless it was free play time, but even then it depends on how long it takes them to sort things out.  As most probably know, people don&#039;t generally commit time to more than one MMO at a time, and I doubt I&#039;d drop another that was holding my attention to come back even for free time after my initial experience with Vanguard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My major problem with their technical requirements are that I can&#8217;t see anything on screen to justify the poor performance.  I&#8217;ve got a P4D-3Ghz, 2Gig of memory and a Nvidia 7800GTX.  I have two options, I can either set the game so that it has a passable frame rate, in which case it looks worse than DAOC (which is many years old at this point), or I can crank up the graphics and get abysmal performance with graphics that I personally still don&#8217;t think are that great.  Some effects are striking (the water comes to mind), but overall the sum of the parts graphically aren&#8217;t anywhere near good enough to explain the terrible performance.</p>
<p>My second issue isn&#8217;t that there are bugs, but the sheer quantity and severity of the bugs.  I expect bugs in a new game.  I do not, however, expect to get dropped from groups, randomly disconnected, dropped to desktop, logged out randomly and logged in as a different character (seriously, WTH is that all about), etc.  This game doesn&#8217;t just have bugs related to the game engine, it&#8217;s just a mess that wasn&#8217;t ready for launch.</p>
<p>Finally, the progression of content and the pacing are terrible.  I&#8217;m given no direction regarding where I should be progressing.  I find myself wandering countryside randomly looking for something my level to do, and instead just running into either things that are out of my league, or barren and empty entirely.  As someone said, I&#8217;d rather they had less total content, but had quality content and had a clear progression path.</p>
<p>I doubt I&#8217;d try it again unless it was free play time, but even then it depends on how long it takes them to sort things out.  As most probably know, people don&#8217;t generally commit time to more than one MMO at a time, and I doubt I&#8217;d drop another that was holding my attention to come back even for free time after my initial experience with Vanguard.</p>
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		<title>By: jonthebrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonthebrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 12:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You kids that are spoiled or to lazy to think go back to WOW or where ever you came from and give VG a chance.&quot;

Which is it ... go back to WoW or give VG a chance?

Gave VG a chance ... worked past the performance issues and still found the game was a steaming pile of shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You kids that are spoiled or to lazy to think go back to WOW or where ever you came from and give VG a chance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is it &#8230; go back to WoW or give VG a chance?</p>
<p>Gave VG a chance &#8230; worked past the performance issues and still found the game was a steaming pile of shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Xiara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xiara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 02:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vanguard has more potential than any other MMO out there. The classes are the most well-balanced, and the most fun I&#039;ve played in any game. I&#039;ll deal with the bugs (which as everyone apparently forgets happens with EVERY single MMO launch.) Game runs great on my system, unfortunately for others not so good. It really does take a &quot;super&quot; computer to run this game. I&#039;d love to see Sigil fine tune the client so more people can play on lower-end systems. Really are missing out.

I think that VG will be succesful in the future...cuz if LOTRO is any indication of how Warhammer or Conan will play........I&#039;ll just leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vanguard has more potential than any other MMO out there. The classes are the most well-balanced, and the most fun I&#8217;ve played in any game. I&#8217;ll deal with the bugs (which as everyone apparently forgets happens with EVERY single MMO launch.) Game runs great on my system, unfortunately for others not so good. It really does take a &#8220;super&#8221; computer to run this game. I&#8217;d love to see Sigil fine tune the client so more people can play on lower-end systems. Really are missing out.</p>
<p>I think that VG will be succesful in the future&#8230;cuz if LOTRO is any indication of how Warhammer or Conan will play&#8230;&#8230;..I&#8217;ll just leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 00:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would hate to see SOE try to get more customers the way they did with SWG. Last time i checked that was a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would hate to see SOE try to get more customers the way they did with SWG. Last time i checked that was a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: BetaN</title>
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		<dc:creator>BetaN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 12:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oblivion runs fine (well even) on my 3 year old pc with upgraded memory and graphics.

Vanguard was horrendous. My hard disk light never stopped flashing.

It was too frustrating to bother with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oblivion runs fine (well even) on my 3 year old pc with upgraded memory and graphics.</p>
<p>Vanguard was horrendous. My hard disk light never stopped flashing.</p>
<p>It was too frustrating to bother with.</p>
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		<title>By: bulldog</title>
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		<dc:creator>bulldog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 05:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The game is finished for all the reasons above. Even if they do fix it up to the point it needed to be at launch within the next year, who the heck is going to go back and give it a try after what happened and with the launch line up over the next 12 months? Brad should be happy if his game survives the next year or two.
No game has EVER recovered from a screwed up launch. This situation has been played out dozens of times with MMO&#039;s why would Vanguard be any different, because it&#039;s special?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The game is finished for all the reasons above. Even if they do fix it up to the point it needed to be at launch within the next year, who the heck is going to go back and give it a try after what happened and with the launch line up over the next 12 months? Brad should be happy if his game survives the next year or two.<br />
No game has EVER recovered from a screwed up launch. This situation has been played out dozens of times with MMO&#8217;s why would Vanguard be any different, because it&#8217;s special?</p>
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