<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Tonight on As The Avatar Turns</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/</link>
	<description>Random Comments About Gaming And Tractors</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:52:00 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anticorium</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/comment-page-1/#comment-9322</link>
		<dc:creator>Anticorium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 03:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/#comment-9322</guid>
		<description>&quot;My posts on Terra Nova weren’t especially long&quot;

Actually, they were. Subjectively obvious and mathematically provable. But thanks for playing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My posts on Terra Nova weren’t especially long&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, they were. Subjectively obvious and mathematically provable. But thanks for playing.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: JuJutsu</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/comment-page-1/#comment-9335</link>
		<dc:creator>JuJutsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/#comment-9335</guid>
		<description>Time to Prok: 5 days. I guess you weren&#039;t on her radar screen until now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to Prok: 5 days. I guess you weren&#8217;t on her radar screen until now.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Prokofy Neva</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/comment-page-1/#comment-9328</link>
		<dc:creator>Prokofy Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/#comment-9328</guid>
		<description>Ah, another amen corner I see!

My posts on Terra Nova weren&#039;t especially long -- they just disagreed with the orthodoxies of the contributors and their fanboyz.

Re: &quot;…that a statement I believe to be true is a fact until proven wrong.&quot;

That&#039;s the case for every single person contributing or commenting on a blog. People gather evidence from their own experience; they read; they think; they look at whatever &quot;facts&quot; are out there -- usually from Google or Wikipedia. And they pronounce something to be true. Oh, like Bonnie Ruberg thinking that sexual expression has been &quot;suppressed&quot; in Second Life. Oh, and like Nick Yee thinking avatars have a &quot;gaze&quot; and their behaviour reveals their RL gender! Yeah, stuff like that!

And when they&#039;ve made their statement, which they believe to be true, they don&#039;t leave &quot;the burden of proof&quot; on others; they wait to see if anything else that either they find out or that others press upon them could disprove their belief in something as a fact.

All I&#039;ve done is describe exactly what everybody else does everywhere, but is too arrogant or ashamed to admit.

I don&#039;t know what my &quot;blog ranking&quot; is but I&#039;ll wager it&#039;s higher than Nobody&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, another amen corner I see!</p>
<p>My posts on Terra Nova weren&#8217;t especially long &#8212; they just disagreed with the orthodoxies of the contributors and their fanboyz.</p>
<p>Re: &#8220;…that a statement I believe to be true is a fact until proven wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the case for every single person contributing or commenting on a blog. People gather evidence from their own experience; they read; they think; they look at whatever &#8220;facts&#8221; are out there &#8212; usually from Google or Wikipedia. And they pronounce something to be true. Oh, like Bonnie Ruberg thinking that sexual expression has been &#8220;suppressed&#8221; in Second Life. Oh, and like Nick Yee thinking avatars have a &#8220;gaze&#8221; and their behaviour reveals their RL gender! Yeah, stuff like that!</p>
<p>And when they&#8217;ve made their statement, which they believe to be true, they don&#8217;t leave &#8220;the burden of proof&#8221; on others; they wait to see if anything else that either they find out or that others press upon them could disprove their belief in something as a fact.</p>
<p>All I&#8217;ve done is describe exactly what everybody else does everywhere, but is too arrogant or ashamed to admit.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what my &#8220;blog ranking&#8221; is but I&#8217;ll wager it&#8217;s higher than Nobody&#8217;s.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: nerd gone bad</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/comment-page-1/#comment-9308</link>
		<dc:creator>nerd gone bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/#comment-9308</guid>
		<description>Yet another bloviating internet ad-infinitum poster who just doesn&#039;t get it.  Sure, each one may actually have some interesting and/or valid points amongst the verbal drec, but it&#039;s ultimately just not worth the pain and work to bother going through and just wears on the discussion at hand.

State your point of view clearly and succinctly along with a couple supporting arguments if needed and leave it at that.

I agree with the &quot;if you really need to hear yourself speak alot, take it to your own blog&quot; view.  Then those who want to try to divine your pov in more depth can choose to do so while keeping the original discussion more succinct and cogent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another bloviating internet ad-infinitum poster who just doesn&#8217;t get it.  Sure, each one may actually have some interesting and/or valid points amongst the verbal drec, but it&#8217;s ultimately just not worth the pain and work to bother going through and just wears on the discussion at hand.</p>
<p>State your point of view clearly and succinctly along with a couple supporting arguments if needed and leave it at that.</p>
<p>I agree with the &#8220;if you really need to hear yourself speak alot, take it to your own blog&#8221; view.  Then those who want to try to divine your pov in more depth can choose to do so while keeping the original discussion more succinct and cogent.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: bullet</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/comment-page-1/#comment-9309</link>
		<dc:creator>bullet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/#comment-9309</guid>
		<description>&gt;You should spend more time in academia… or be glad that you don’t have to…

Yeah, nothing destroys a good system/method like people using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;You should spend more time in academia… or be glad that you don’t have to…</p>
<p>Yeah, nothing destroys a good system/method like people using it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ola Fosheim Grøstad</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/comment-page-1/#comment-9317</link>
		<dc:creator>Ola Fosheim Grøstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/#comment-9317</guid>
		<description>DaveN, nice fanboi. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaveN, nice fanboi. <img src='http://www.brokentoys.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: DaveN</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/comment-page-1/#comment-9320</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/#comment-9320</guid>
		<description>@ola: By pointing out the silliness of announcing bans Lum is being inconsistent? Based on your usage of the word &quot;inconsistent,&quot; I don&#039;t think you understand its meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ola: By pointing out the silliness of announcing bans Lum is being inconsistent? Based on your usage of the word &#8220;inconsistent,&#8221; I don&#8217;t think you understand its meaning.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: JuJutsu</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/comment-page-1/#comment-9329</link>
		<dc:creator>JuJutsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/#comment-9329</guid>
		<description>&quot;When Dan Hunter got fed up it probably just stuck, hoping that the accused didn’t realize that they could take on a new identity…&quot;

I don&#039;t see it happening. Prokofy is too narcissistic to post one of her diatribes under the the handle of  &#039;Joe&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When Dan Hunter got fed up it probably just stuck, hoping that the accused didn’t realize that they could take on a new identity…&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see it happening. Prokofy is too narcissistic to post one of her diatribes under the the handle of  &#8216;Joe&#8217;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ola Fosheim Grøstad</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/comment-page-1/#comment-9333</link>
		<dc:creator>Ola Fosheim Grøstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/#comment-9333</guid>
		<description>And perpetuating the announcement is of course different and constructive? I still don&#039;t see the consistency. Sorry. I don&#039;t mind that you aren&#039;t consistent, though. I don&#039;t expect community managers to be consistent. I expect them to outsmart themselves like this... ;-)

I do agree that having the comment thread was silly, I don&#039;t think they intended a ban, because in reality they can&#039;t enforce it. When Dan Hunter got fed up it probably just stuck, hoping that the accused didn&#039;t realize that they could take on a new identity...

That said, the real mistake was to announce a policy set-in-stone with big letters, and have people discuss it. If you&#039;re claiming to have a huge dramatic problem, you&#039;ll increase your chances of getting one. You either propose a set of policy options for discussion or just establish a well-established-policy as the most natural thing in the world, preferably during some event where it fits in (like when you are doing major redesign of a system).

What is surprising is that people are reluctant to learn from the downfall of USENET in 1995. Small narrow groups with an established focus suriveved, wide inter-disciplinary groups died. Inter-disciplinary groups shold have moderation policies set up-front. Obviously.

Besides, Terranova could do more to encourage their inter-disciplinary focus, like actually explaining the theories they refer to in their posts so other participants actually can follow. Most people don&#039;t have a good grasp on Structuration Theory, Actor-Network Theory and so on, but not because said frameworks are terribly clever and hard to get. (Well, the books on them make them hard to get... but that&#039;s mostly due to exessive verbosity.) I guess there are many ways to moderate, but moderation through obscurity is the less flattering one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And perpetuating the announcement is of course different and constructive? I still don&#8217;t see the consistency. Sorry. I don&#8217;t mind that you aren&#8217;t consistent, though. I don&#8217;t expect community managers to be consistent. I expect them to outsmart themselves like this&#8230; <img src='http://www.brokentoys.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I do agree that having the comment thread was silly, I don&#8217;t think they intended a ban, because in reality they can&#8217;t enforce it. When Dan Hunter got fed up it probably just stuck, hoping that the accused didn&#8217;t realize that they could take on a new identity&#8230;</p>
<p>That said, the real mistake was to announce a policy set-in-stone with big letters, and have people discuss it. If you&#8217;re claiming to have a huge dramatic problem, you&#8217;ll increase your chances of getting one. You either propose a set of policy options for discussion or just establish a well-established-policy as the most natural thing in the world, preferably during some event where it fits in (like when you are doing major redesign of a system).</p>
<p>What is surprising is that people are reluctant to learn from the downfall of USENET in 1995. Small narrow groups with an established focus suriveved, wide inter-disciplinary groups died. Inter-disciplinary groups shold have moderation policies set up-front. Obviously.</p>
<p>Besides, Terranova could do more to encourage their inter-disciplinary focus, like actually explaining the theories they refer to in their posts so other participants actually can follow. Most people don&#8217;t have a good grasp on Structuration Theory, Actor-Network Theory and so on, but not because said frameworks are terribly clever and hard to get. (Well, the books on them make them hard to get&#8230; but that&#8217;s mostly due to exessive verbosity.) I guess there are many ways to moderate, but moderation through obscurity is the less flattering one&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Scott Jennings</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/comment-page-1/#comment-9332</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://sjennings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/tonight-on-as-the-avatar-turns/#comment-9332</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;&gt; Wow, such consistency…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As I said immediately afterword (as I&#039;m sure you noticed) I corrected my typo in the Terra Nova comment. What I meant to type was that public ANNOUNCEMENTS of bans was counterproductive. Which is in fact true. You don&#039;t announce bans for the world to comment and posture about. You tap people on the shoulder and silently escort them to the door.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> Wow, such consistency…</p>
<p>As I said immediately afterword (as I&#8217;m sure you noticed) I corrected my typo in the Terra Nova comment. What I meant to type was that public ANNOUNCEMENTS of bans was counterproductive. Which is in fact true. You don&#8217;t announce bans for the world to comment and posture about. You tap people on the shoulder and silently escort them to the door.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

