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		<title>By: World of Warcraft Meets the Digital Millenium Copyright Act&#8217;s Anti-Circumvention Law : Lone Star IP Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>World of Warcraft Meets the Digital Millenium Copyright Act&#8217;s Anti-Circumvention Law : Lone Star IP Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the effect of the trial court&#8217;s decision.  As an example of the varied opinions, see the Broken Toys blog on this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is all very well for people to view bots as cheating.

If Blizs &quot;expert&quot; argues that a bot confers advantage citing as he does simple comparrisons between time a human can play vs a bot, how would Blizzard square - inroducing recruit a freind and offering free levels, hugely inflated experience and fre items to players that participate, changing the experience required to level because it helps them sell copies of their expansion, constantly revising classes so their abilities change from one revision to the next and thus their ability to get experience or items, changing the &quot;price&quot; or aquisition rate of points used to buy cetain - pvp - items, changing the rules of th e game such that &quot;lying&quot; or &quot;misleading&quot; another player breaks the rules.

Bots may be &quot;cheats&quot; by Blizzard and their EULA/TOS and their constant changes to the game mechanics are the real cheats.

Consider the argument tht blizzard make that bots gain xp etc aster than intended- Blizzard has itseldf published the deeds of many a powerleveller that has circumvented the ordinary designed levelling route by recruiting a group of m8s to run instance s etc wherby the powerleveller tags mob that a the team then take down - giving all the xp to the powerlevelling character.   Difficult to see how you can resonably argue that when they publisise these types of levelling and damn bot s - that take mnay many times longer to level that someone doing the above,.

Arguing the loss of revenue route is horribly flawed too.   Many botters say they would have left the game were it not for the renewed interest in the game botting gives.  Many botters run multiple accounts - again with a resultant increase in box sales and subscriptions for Bliz.  Moreover when banned many botters claim to restart new characters.

If bliz wants t o attack the RMT market they should go after the demand side not the supply side.  Banning players that Buy accounts, items or gold would be far more effective and far easier thasn trying to stop 0000s of suppliers wh o wil ljust start up another account.   Bliz wont do that becasue they know their average subscriber ultimately is happy to buy gold and they would probably destroy a large % of their playerbase if they banned buyers of gold, accounts etc.

In their submuissions blizzard list complaints from people saying they will cancel their subscription becasue they come accross bots.  One of the main ones theycite is sm1 complainig about a bot on a level; 16 set of quest mobs... as if ! If their case was strong in this respect youd expect them with over 11 million sales, to come up with some better examples than sm1 wit ha character at a level you can achieve playing &#039;nortmally&quot; in less than a day.

Oh and the Blizzard &quot;expert&quot; claims to have played the game for but a few hours and seen loads of bots... yes right m8.  This &quot;expert&quot; really is no &quot;expert&quot; when you consider his background and experience in relation to MMORPG, Economics or IT.  There are many a 14 year old that have racked upo far more expertise than he in mmorpg and wow and plenty of older players wit hmore rlevant qualification and experience to match his PLUS years of experience in MMOGS.

This case is substantially about copyright.  Whichever side of the fence you fall on botting it cannot remotely be in the consumers interest for a software co to be able to sue fr or copyright infringement becasue their rules say if you break the rules of the game you dont have a licence to use their game and since computer copies the gaem in to ram you are therefore creating an illegal copy of the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is all very well for people to view bots as cheating.</p>
<p>If Blizs &#8220;expert&#8221; argues that a bot confers advantage citing as he does simple comparrisons between time a human can play vs a bot, how would Blizzard square &#8211; inroducing recruit a freind and offering free levels, hugely inflated experience and fre items to players that participate, changing the experience required to level because it helps them sell copies of their expansion, constantly revising classes so their abilities change from one revision to the next and thus their ability to get experience or items, changing the &#8220;price&#8221; or aquisition rate of points used to buy cetain &#8211; pvp &#8211; items, changing the rules of th e game such that &#8220;lying&#8221; or &#8220;misleading&#8221; another player breaks the rules.</p>
<p>Bots may be &#8220;cheats&#8221; by Blizzard and their EULA/TOS and their constant changes to the game mechanics are the real cheats.</p>
<p>Consider the argument tht blizzard make that bots gain xp etc aster than intended- Blizzard has itseldf published the deeds of many a powerleveller that has circumvented the ordinary designed levelling route by recruiting a group of m8s to run instance s etc wherby the powerleveller tags mob that a the team then take down &#8211; giving all the xp to the powerlevelling character.   Difficult to see how you can resonably argue that when they publisise these types of levelling and damn bot s &#8211; that take mnay many times longer to level that someone doing the above,.</p>
<p>Arguing the loss of revenue route is horribly flawed too.   Many botters say they would have left the game were it not for the renewed interest in the game botting gives.  Many botters run multiple accounts &#8211; again with a resultant increase in box sales and subscriptions for Bliz.  Moreover when banned many botters claim to restart new characters.</p>
<p>If bliz wants t o attack the RMT market they should go after the demand side not the supply side.  Banning players that Buy accounts, items or gold would be far more effective and far easier thasn trying to stop 0000s of suppliers wh o wil ljust start up another account.   Bliz wont do that becasue they know their average subscriber ultimately is happy to buy gold and they would probably destroy a large % of their playerbase if they banned buyers of gold, accounts etc.</p>
<p>In their submuissions blizzard list complaints from people saying they will cancel their subscription becasue they come accross bots.  One of the main ones theycite is sm1 complainig about a bot on a level; 16 set of quest mobs&#8230; as if ! If their case was strong in this respect youd expect them with over 11 million sales, to come up with some better examples than sm1 wit ha character at a level you can achieve playing &#8216;nortmally&#8221; in less than a day.</p>
<p>Oh and the Blizzard &#8220;expert&#8221; claims to have played the game for but a few hours and seen loads of bots&#8230; yes right m8.  This &#8220;expert&#8221; really is no &#8220;expert&#8221; when you consider his background and experience in relation to MMORPG, Economics or IT.  There are many a 14 year old that have racked upo far more expertise than he in mmorpg and wow and plenty of older players wit hmore rlevant qualification and experience to match his PLUS years of experience in MMOGS.</p>
<p>This case is substantially about copyright.  Whichever side of the fence you fall on botting it cannot remotely be in the consumers interest for a software co to be able to sue fr or copyright infringement becasue their rules say if you break the rules of the game you dont have a licence to use their game and since computer copies the gaem in to ram you are therefore creating an illegal copy of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/03/24/mdy-v-blizzard-place-your-bets/comment-page-2/#comment-14469</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 09:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment &quot;Nintendo lost against Game Genie&quot;

Your thinking is flawed.. that&#039;s like comparing apples to oranges.

NES was a 2 player console game before internet and online gaming existed. You bought your game, you owned it.. there were NO subscription fee&#039;s, or additional costs the game developer had (server costs, quality of service etc). You OWNED the game.

WoW is a MMORPG. You BUY the game.. but you can NOT play the game with out LEASING time through a paid monthly subscription. The game is played on Blizzard&#039;s server&#039;s, which they pay for and maintain, improve the virtual world you play in etc. They have bandwidth costs to pay for as well as equality to maintain.

Hacking in this game isn&#039;t like a console game you play at home.. cheating hurts the entire server.

MMO Glider has no purpose other than for being able to CHEAT at playing WoW. It It&#039;s not a stand alone prog.. it requires WoW to use, which Blizzard doesn&#039;t sanction it&#039;s use. Further more.. Blizzard has software to detect these types of programs, MMO Glider PURPOSELY loads the entire wow game into memory (which the standard wow client does not) just to prevent wow warden from detecting it. MMO Glider has made his entire fortune off someone else&#039;s product essentially, without consent I might add.

MMO Glider really doesn&#039;t have a leg to stand on considering they actively acknowledge on their site in selling it that it&#039;s against the EULA to use, and that blizzard doesn&#039;t support it&#039;s use and will result in a Ban if caught.. (but MMO Glider developer knows with the way it works, it&#039;s undetectable) as he so happily admits, which has allowed him to sell so many.

Blizzard will win this lawsuit hands down.. . and rightfully so. Why should they lose the ability to manage a leased time product used on their servers/bandwidth b/c of a program that someone developed without their consent.</description>
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<p>Your thinking is flawed.. that&#8217;s like comparing apples to oranges.</p>
<p>NES was a 2 player console game before internet and online gaming existed. You bought your game, you owned it.. there were NO subscription fee&#8217;s, or additional costs the game developer had (server costs, quality of service etc). You OWNED the game.</p>
<p>WoW is a MMORPG. You BUY the game.. but you can NOT play the game with out LEASING time through a paid monthly subscription. The game is played on Blizzard&#8217;s server&#8217;s, which they pay for and maintain, improve the virtual world you play in etc. They have bandwidth costs to pay for as well as equality to maintain.</p>
<p>Hacking in this game isn&#8217;t like a console game you play at home.. cheating hurts the entire server.</p>
<p>MMO Glider has no purpose other than for being able to CHEAT at playing WoW. It It&#8217;s not a stand alone prog.. it requires WoW to use, which Blizzard doesn&#8217;t sanction it&#8217;s use. Further more.. Blizzard has software to detect these types of programs, MMO Glider PURPOSELY loads the entire wow game into memory (which the standard wow client does not) just to prevent wow warden from detecting it. MMO Glider has made his entire fortune off someone else&#8217;s product essentially, without consent I might add.</p>
<p>MMO Glider really doesn&#8217;t have a leg to stand on considering they actively acknowledge on their site in selling it that it&#8217;s against the EULA to use, and that blizzard doesn&#8217;t support it&#8217;s use and will result in a Ban if caught.. (but MMO Glider developer knows with the way it works, it&#8217;s undetectable) as he so happily admits, which has allowed him to sell so many.</p>
<p>Blizzard will win this lawsuit hands down.. . and rightfully so. Why should they lose the ability to manage a leased time product used on their servers/bandwidth b/c of a program that someone developed without their consent.</p>
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		<title>By: [WOW] Glider author lawsuit - Fires of Heaven Guild Message Board</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/03/24/mdy-v-blizzard-place-your-bets/comment-page-2/#comment-14440</link>
		<dc:creator>[WOW] Glider author lawsuit - Fires of Heaven Guild Message Board</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] precedent. See: bnetd.  Also, here&#039;s a slightly less biased source than the cheater&#039;s own forums: MDY v Blizzard: Place Your Bets « Broken Toys  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] precedent. See: bnetd.  Also, here&#8217;s a slightly less biased source than the cheater&#8217;s own forums: MDY v Blizzard: Place Your Bets « Broken Toys  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Viz</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/03/24/mdy-v-blizzard-place-your-bets/comment-page-2/#comment-14421</link>
		<dc:creator>Viz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JuJutsu: The scale is completely different.  Even the hardest of the hardcore only has 24 hours in a day.  A working bot would allow a professional whatever to run as many accounts as he has equipment for.  Your average person could probably actively monitor between 20 and 30 bots at once, sufficiently well to defeat any GM inquiries and prevent the bots from getting stuck for more than a couple minutes at a time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JuJutsu: The scale is completely different.  Even the hardest of the hardcore only has 24 hours in a day.  A working bot would allow a professional whatever to run as many accounts as he has equipment for.  Your average person could probably actively monitor between 20 and 30 bots at once, sufficiently well to defeat any GM inquiries and prevent the bots from getting stuck for more than a couple minutes at a time.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Crystall</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/03/24/mdy-v-blizzard-place-your-bets/comment-page-2/#comment-14417</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Crystall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CiscoKid - They had a far weaker case against BNetD, but they won that one.

Like the BNetD case, Blizzard are making blanket claims whioch will ma eit even riskier to be a game mod developer in America is a company disproves of what you&#039;re doing to their game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CiscoKid &#8211; They had a far weaker case against BNetD, but they won that one.</p>
<p>Like the BNetD case, Blizzard are making blanket claims whioch will ma eit even riskier to be a game mod developer in America is a company disproves of what you&#8217;re doing to their game.</p>
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		<title>By: Viz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snibbs, whether or not people quit for reasons unrelated to WoWGlider has absolutely nothing whatever to do with the case.  Furthermore, your argument is incomplete; assuming Blizzard&#039;s argument about damages would otherwise be accepted, to refute it MDY wouldn&#039;t merely have to prove that people quit because the grind was too oppressive, they would have to prove that there are people who use WoWGlider who did not quit, but would have if they had had to grind on their own, that they outnumber the people who quit because they felt WoWGlider ruined their game, and that finally said people who did not quit would not have been banned by Blizzard for some other unsavory activity, had Blizzard known of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snibbs, whether or not people quit for reasons unrelated to WoWGlider has absolutely nothing whatever to do with the case.  Furthermore, your argument is incomplete; assuming Blizzard&#8217;s argument about damages would otherwise be accepted, to refute it MDY wouldn&#8217;t merely have to prove that people quit because the grind was too oppressive, they would have to prove that there are people who use WoWGlider who did not quit, but would have if they had had to grind on their own, that they outnumber the people who quit because they felt WoWGlider ruined their game, and that finally said people who did not quit would not have been banned by Blizzard for some other unsavory activity, had Blizzard known of it.</p>
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		<title>By: moo</title>
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		<dc:creator>moo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read adam&#039;s blog entry at the trackback above.  I agree wholeheartedly.  I want to see Blizzard lose this case (though preferably without setting too strong of a precedent), because fundamentally its not the job of the legal system to prevent things like WoWGlider from interfering with WoW, its &lt;b&gt;Blizzard&#039;s job&lt;/b&gt; and just because they are unable to do it or unwilling to pay for it, does not excuse them using the legal system like a club to beat down their enemy.  As with bnetd, WoWGlider should be allowed to exist and people should be allowed to try and use it, and Blizzard should be allowed to detect and banstick those people.  And if Blizzard lives up to expectations, maybe the rest of the players will be allowed to play the game in peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read adam&#8217;s blog entry at the trackback above.  I agree wholeheartedly.  I want to see Blizzard lose this case (though preferably without setting too strong of a precedent), because fundamentally its not the job of the legal system to prevent things like WoWGlider from interfering with WoW, its <b>Blizzard&#8217;s job</b> and just because they are unable to do it or unwilling to pay for it, does not excuse them using the legal system like a club to beat down their enemy.  As with bnetd, WoWGlider should be allowed to exist and people should be allowed to try and use it, and Blizzard should be allowed to detect and banstick those people.  And if Blizzard lives up to expectations, maybe the rest of the players will be allowed to play the game in peace.</p>
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