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		<title>By: Rhoklaw</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/09/08/smashmouth/comment-page-2/#comment-16766</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhoklaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much to comment on, I don&#039;t know where to begin. I suppose I&#039;ll start with GOA screwing up and someone saying EA could have been a better choice. To be honest, EA doesn&#039;t exactly have an exemplary track record with MMOs. In fact, I cringed quite a bit when I heard Mythic joined up with them. I for one love Mythic, especially their community managers for how well they handled a majority of DAoC&#039;s issues. I mean, how many gaming companies admit to their mistakes and make classic servers?

Anyhow, EA on the other hand is not a great company. Yes, they have the financial backing to help Mythic, but their customer service is one of the worst. In fact, it&#039;s probably worse than SOE&#039;s. Speaking from experience, I pre-ordered 2 Collector&#039;s Editions of Warhammer back in July 18th. I never received my open beta codes, despite sending them 3-4 emails. They insisted my order was taken care of and that beta codes ship 7-10 days after order is placed. Well, they never got emailed to me and I know I&#039;m only one of a slew of EA customers who got that shaft.

Than we have my Fed Ex delivery of my 2 games becoming pointless because my order still shows a status of Submitted, instead of Shipped. Forgive me if I&#039;m wrong, but doesn&#039;t CE headstart begin on Sunday? Well, Fed Ex doesn&#039;t deliver on Sundays and I sincerely doubt EA has shipped my order.

It doesn&#039;t really matter anyway, since I&#039;m flying out to Ft. Bragg for EFMB competition. So I will miss the first 2 weeks of WAR. I&#039;m still going to give EA a bunch of crap for tainting Mythic&#039;s good reputation, which I give them credit for simply because of Sanya Thomas and the developers. Not to mention their continuing approach of honesty about the game. Funcom should learn a thing or two from Mythic about community management, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much to comment on, I don&#8217;t know where to begin. I suppose I&#8217;ll start with GOA screwing up and someone saying EA could have been a better choice. To be honest, EA doesn&#8217;t exactly have an exemplary track record with MMOs. In fact, I cringed quite a bit when I heard Mythic joined up with them. I for one love Mythic, especially their community managers for how well they handled a majority of DAoC&#8217;s issues. I mean, how many gaming companies admit to their mistakes and make classic servers?</p>
<p>Anyhow, EA on the other hand is not a great company. Yes, they have the financial backing to help Mythic, but their customer service is one of the worst. In fact, it&#8217;s probably worse than SOE&#8217;s. Speaking from experience, I pre-ordered 2 Collector&#8217;s Editions of Warhammer back in July 18th. I never received my open beta codes, despite sending them 3-4 emails. They insisted my order was taken care of and that beta codes ship 7-10 days after order is placed. Well, they never got emailed to me and I know I&#8217;m only one of a slew of EA customers who got that shaft.</p>
<p>Than we have my Fed Ex delivery of my 2 games becoming pointless because my order still shows a status of Submitted, instead of Shipped. Forgive me if I&#8217;m wrong, but doesn&#8217;t CE headstart begin on Sunday? Well, Fed Ex doesn&#8217;t deliver on Sundays and I sincerely doubt EA has shipped my order.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t really matter anyway, since I&#8217;m flying out to Ft. Bragg for EFMB competition. So I will miss the first 2 weeks of WAR. I&#8217;m still going to give EA a bunch of crap for tainting Mythic&#8217;s good reputation, which I give them credit for simply because of Sanya Thomas and the developers. Not to mention their continuing approach of honesty about the game. Funcom should learn a thing or two from Mythic about community management, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Blog-Raging Against the Machine &#171; theBanstick</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/09/08/smashmouth/comment-page-2/#comment-16765</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog-Raging Against the Machine &#171; theBanstick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: UnSub</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/09/08/smashmouth/comment-page-2/#comment-16768</link>
		<dc:creator>UnSub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Forget that. Do whatever works.&quot;

... which is apparently the CEO of one company publicly chastising the workers of another company in another region for what they are doing with a central product.

Does IainC get right of reply? Can he blog about getting that phone call from Mark? Can he report the entire story? Probably not, if he wants to keep his job.

The point of CMs is to manage the community, which includes stuff like this, If Jacobs is going to blog a response every time something happens, being a CM is going to suck even more than it usually can because you will be left with no power. One minute you are reporting what you&#039;ve been told by your management, the next Jacob&#039;s has a blog post up that emasculates your entire role. Good luck in that job.

And again: WAR has no official forums. But apparently blogs are a great way to &quot;listen&quot; to the community. *boggle*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Forget that. Do whatever works.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; which is apparently the CEO of one company publicly chastising the workers of another company in another region for what they are doing with a central product.</p>
<p>Does IainC get right of reply? Can he blog about getting that phone call from Mark? Can he report the entire story? Probably not, if he wants to keep his job.</p>
<p>The point of CMs is to manage the community, which includes stuff like this, If Jacobs is going to blog a response every time something happens, being a CM is going to suck even more than it usually can because you will be left with no power. One minute you are reporting what you&#8217;ve been told by your management, the next Jacob&#8217;s has a blog post up that emasculates your entire role. Good luck in that job.</p>
<p>And again: WAR has no official forums. But apparently blogs are a great way to &#8220;listen&#8221; to the community. *boggle*</p>
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		<title>By: Jeromai</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/09/08/smashmouth/comment-page-2/#comment-16767</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeromai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the wheels of bureaucracy and corporations turning in upon themselves to protect each other and their precious departments are so amusing to read about. GOA screwed up. Their CSM made it worse. He stuck his foot in his mouth and lumped all his potential customers as borderline sociopaths in an -official- statement when that kind of opinion is much more forgivable on a personal blog post site.

Mark Jacobs cut through the red tape, shared his personal opinion and said he thought it was out of line, echoing most of what sane people think too. That tells the average consumer that there&#039;s a legitimate human being near the helm of Mythic and builds up stock and trust.

So it was at the cost of hanging out GOA&#039;s CSM to dry. So what? He got himself into trouble in the first place. He needs to come out, apologize, and commit harakiri like a man.

By defending the right of CS and CM departments to close ranks among themselves and try to smooth things over by going &quot;Oh, no one&#039;s really at fault or to blame,&quot; that&#039;s just defending instutionalized processes that don&#039;t actually make things better. Too often, we try and preserve company hierarchies and systems that don&#039;t actually work out of respect for the traditional &quot;it&#039;s always been done this way.&quot;

Forget that. Do whatever works.

Do you really need a community management or PR dept if they&#039;re not doing their jobs properly? Apparently not, if Mark Jacobs can do it better. Better to replace them with people who can actually help the solution than create more problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the wheels of bureaucracy and corporations turning in upon themselves to protect each other and their precious departments are so amusing to read about. GOA screwed up. Their CSM made it worse. He stuck his foot in his mouth and lumped all his potential customers as borderline sociopaths in an -official- statement when that kind of opinion is much more forgivable on a personal blog post site.</p>
<p>Mark Jacobs cut through the red tape, shared his personal opinion and said he thought it was out of line, echoing most of what sane people think too. That tells the average consumer that there&#8217;s a legitimate human being near the helm of Mythic and builds up stock and trust.</p>
<p>So it was at the cost of hanging out GOA&#8217;s CSM to dry. So what? He got himself into trouble in the first place. He needs to come out, apologize, and commit harakiri like a man.</p>
<p>By defending the right of CS and CM departments to close ranks among themselves and try to smooth things over by going &#8220;Oh, no one&#8217;s really at fault or to blame,&#8221; that&#8217;s just defending instutionalized processes that don&#8217;t actually make things better. Too often, we try and preserve company hierarchies and systems that don&#8217;t actually work out of respect for the traditional &#8220;it&#8217;s always been done this way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Forget that. Do whatever works.</p>
<p>Do you really need a community management or PR dept if they&#8217;re not doing their jobs properly? Apparently not, if Mark Jacobs can do it better. Better to replace them with people who can actually help the solution than create more problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Abalieno</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/09/08/smashmouth/comment-page-2/#comment-16770</link>
		<dc:creator>Abalieno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;However, just as with DAoC, once the game goes LIVE, I’ll slowly disengage and go back to merely reading the forums and occasional comments but leaving the vast majority of the heavy lifting to Bob and crew.&lt;/i&gt;

Why so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>However, just as with DAoC, once the game goes LIVE, I’ll slowly disengage and go back to merely reading the forums and occasional comments but leaving the vast majority of the heavy lifting to Bob and crew.</i></p>
<p>Why so?</p>
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		<title>By: Zeitalter3 Entwicklerblog &#187; Blog Archiv &#187; Öffentliche Person vs. Private Blogs</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/09/08/smashmouth/comment-page-2/#comment-16769</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeitalter3 Entwicklerblog &#187; Blog Archiv &#187; Öffentliche Person vs. Private Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] aus. Als Marc irgendwie nicht verstehen konnte, was denn das Problem sei, trafen auch die Köpfe der Community Manager die Tischplatte, die zuvor zu starr waren vor [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] aus. Als Marc irgendwie nicht verstehen konnte, was denn das Problem sei, trafen auch die Köpfe der Community Manager die Tischplatte, die zuvor zu starr waren vor [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dromedary</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/09/08/smashmouth/comment-page-2/#comment-16771</link>
		<dc:creator>Dromedary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, thanks for the clarification - although I don&#039;t know the actual hierarchy I assumed the CM&#039;s are not direct reports to Mark.  Please abstract &quot;manager&quot; to management.

I still don&#039;t understand that if the CM is not doing their job properly, why doesn&#039;t management get on the horn to the CM and their manager to correct the situation through them, rather than around them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, thanks for the clarification &#8211; although I don&#8217;t know the actual hierarchy I assumed the CM&#8217;s are not direct reports to Mark.  Please abstract &#8220;manager&#8221; to management.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t understand that if the CM is not doing their job properly, why doesn&#8217;t management get on the horn to the CM and their manager to correct the situation through them, rather than around them?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/09/08/smashmouth/comment-page-2/#comment-16772</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Channel Massive would like to officially welcome Mark Jacobs to the blog-o-sphere.

Now run!  Run as fast as those tree trunks can carry you.

Jason (resident drunken idiot of Channel Massive)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Channel Massive would like to officially welcome Mark Jacobs to the blog-o-sphere.</p>
<p>Now run!  Run as fast as those tree trunks can carry you.</p>
<p>Jason (resident drunken idiot of Channel Massive)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Dalberg</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/09/08/smashmouth/comment-page-2/#comment-16841</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Dalberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dromedary, Mark is not IainC&#039;s manager.  They&#039;re not even in the same company.  Even if he were, there are three layers of management between a front-line CM and the studio manager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dromedary, Mark is not IainC&#8217;s manager.  They&#8217;re not even in the same company.  Even if he were, there are three layers of management between a front-line CM and the studio manager.</p>
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		<title>By: Mobhunter.com &#187; Voices of the Gods</title>
		<link>http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/09/08/smashmouth/comment-page-2/#comment-16843</link>
		<dc:creator>Mobhunter.com &#187; Voices of the Gods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posted some thoughts on the recent debate concerning whether or not Mythic&#8217;s Mark Jacobs should have posted the response he did to the [...]</description>
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