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		<title>By: Warhammer&#8217;s Success &#124; Kill Ten Rats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warhammer&#8217;s Success &#124; Kill Ten Rats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are rated against your hype. See also.   Share and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nerd gone bad</title>
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		<dc:creator>nerd gone bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then Blizzard will release Starcraft Universe and it&#039;ll be game over Georgey-boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then Blizzard will release Starcraft Universe and it&#8217;ll be game over Georgey-boy.</p>
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		<title>By: sanyaweathers</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanyaweathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except EA didn&#039;t have anything at all to do with WAR. They left it entirely up to Mythic/GamesWorkshop.

Unless, of course, half my IM list has been lying to me for the last year.

I&#039;m not convinced EA is the devil, and I&#039;ve long since spent their dirty, dirty money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except EA didn&#8217;t have anything at all to do with WAR. They left it entirely up to Mythic/GamesWorkshop.</p>
<p>Unless, of course, half my IM list has been lying to me for the last year.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced EA is the devil, and I&#8217;ve long since spent their dirty, dirty money.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashendarei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashendarei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ixobelle Says:
October 24, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Because nothing is EVER going to dethrone WoW, AMIRITE?
&quot;

The only problem with this line of reasoning, is in this case EA is involved.

that means 2-3 things are guaranteed to happen:

1. at some point the creative process will get hit by a semi then eaten by a dog, then shit out before it actually makes it into the game.

2. Expect the whole DRM fiasco to return,  it&#039;s EA, they DON&#039;T learn from their mistakes.

3. The amount of resentment to George Lucas and the amount of douchbaggery that he&#039;s bestowed upon us with his &quot;New and Improved!&quot; star wars movies, including the expansion of the series to poorly done full CG movies (that look like claymation) leaves a large amount of unhappy fans.  An unhappy fan is less likely to shell out $50 + 12-15$ more a month for a game like this.

Basically Faefrost summed it up best with this:

&quot;They will surpass WoW by making a good game, NOT by having a well known IP that has been screwed up in the past.&quot;

I couldn&#039;t agree more, and with EA&#039;s track record I&#039;m not even CONSIDERING purchasing this game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ixobelle Says:<br />
October 24, 2008 at 6:52 pm<br />
Because nothing is EVER going to dethrone WoW, AMIRITE?<br />
&#8221;</p>
<p>The only problem with this line of reasoning, is in this case EA is involved.</p>
<p>that means 2-3 things are guaranteed to happen:</p>
<p>1. at some point the creative process will get hit by a semi then eaten by a dog, then shit out before it actually makes it into the game.</p>
<p>2. Expect the whole DRM fiasco to return,  it&#8217;s EA, they DON&#8217;T learn from their mistakes.</p>
<p>3. The amount of resentment to George Lucas and the amount of douchbaggery that he&#8217;s bestowed upon us with his &#8220;New and Improved!&#8221; star wars movies, including the expansion of the series to poorly done full CG movies (that look like claymation) leaves a large amount of unhappy fans.  An unhappy fan is less likely to shell out $50 + 12-15$ more a month for a game like this.</p>
<p>Basically Faefrost summed it up best with this:</p>
<p>&#8220;They will surpass WoW by making a good game, NOT by having a well known IP that has been screwed up in the past.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more, and with EA&#8217;s track record I&#8217;m not even CONSIDERING purchasing this game.</p>
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		<title>By: faefrost</title>
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		<dc:creator>faefrost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just look at the base of Star Wars fans&quot;

Ummmm? Has anyone pointed out to them the bagage and resentment those fans carry called SWG? They will surpass WoW by making a good game, NOT by having a well known IP that has been screwed up in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just look at the base of Star Wars fans&#8221;</p>
<p>Ummmm? Has anyone pointed out to them the bagage and resentment those fans carry called SWG? They will surpass WoW by making a good game, NOT by having a well known IP that has been screwed up in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: UnSub</title>
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		<dc:creator>UnSub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far I know more about the magical hopes for SWOR than I do any active game mechanics. There seems to be a lot of &quot;hey, this would be cool and awesome!&quot;, but not much on the &quot;... and this is how we are going to do it&quot;.

It&#039;s textbook

1) Get SWOR licence
2) ...
3) Profit (and more than WoW for a success)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far I know more about the magical hopes for SWOR than I do any active game mechanics. There seems to be a lot of &#8220;hey, this would be cool and awesome!&#8221;, but not much on the &#8220;&#8230; and this is how we are going to do it&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s textbook</p>
<p>1) Get SWOR licence<br />
2) &#8230;<br />
3) Profit (and more than WoW for a success)!</p>
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		<title>By: dartwick</title>
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		<dc:creator>dartwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iconic said &quot;stuff&quot;

Or maybe SWG failed prior to release because the game desin was all about character development and structured interaction but the IP was about wide open fun and excitement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iconic said &#8220;stuff&#8221;</p>
<p>Or maybe SWG failed prior to release because the game desin was all about character development and structured interaction but the IP was about wide open fun and excitement.</p>
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		<title>By: Aufero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aufero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish them luck.  So far all EA ownership has brought Bioware is DRM problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish them luck.  So far all EA ownership has brought Bioware is DRM problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Iconic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iconic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Shrug*

SW:G failed prior to the NGE for a few specific reasons:

1) Buggy as hell.  Most new games have bugs, but the glaring bugs in SWG never got fixed.

2) Lack of Jedi and The Force.  This is pretty much THE element that makes Star Wars different from any and every other sci fi franchise.  A Star Wars game without the Force is like Salma Hayek without cleavage.

3) Lack of space combat. Space ships that dog fight in space as if they were flying in an atmosphere are part and parcel of Star Wars.  Including this feature as an expansion was too late for many people who&#039;d already left the game due to 1 and 2.

Of course the NGE absolutely destroyed the game by driving away the crafting/taming/socializing world builders in order to capture the non existent demophraphic that was begging for a content poor, bug ridden level grind WoW knock off set in space.

Relevance to SWTOR?

The setting of SWTOR encourages lots of force users and lots of space battles.  The game can be true to the star wars mythos and still has a lot of room to show us stuff we&#039;ve never seen before.  It could beat WoW, or it could fail.  The devil is in the details.  The only thing we know is that it has virtually nothing to do with SW:G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Shrug*</p>
<p>SW:G failed prior to the NGE for a few specific reasons:</p>
<p>1) Buggy as hell.  Most new games have bugs, but the glaring bugs in SWG never got fixed.</p>
<p>2) Lack of Jedi and The Force.  This is pretty much THE element that makes Star Wars different from any and every other sci fi franchise.  A Star Wars game without the Force is like Salma Hayek without cleavage.</p>
<p>3) Lack of space combat. Space ships that dog fight in space as if they were flying in an atmosphere are part and parcel of Star Wars.  Including this feature as an expansion was too late for many people who&#8217;d already left the game due to 1 and 2.</p>
<p>Of course the NGE absolutely destroyed the game by driving away the crafting/taming/socializing world builders in order to capture the non existent demophraphic that was begging for a content poor, bug ridden level grind WoW knock off set in space.</p>
<p>Relevance to SWTOR?</p>
<p>The setting of SWTOR encourages lots of force users and lots of space battles.  The game can be true to the star wars mythos and still has a lot of room to show us stuff we&#8217;ve never seen before.  It could beat WoW, or it could fail.  The devil is in the details.  The only thing we know is that it has virtually nothing to do with SW:G.</p>
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		<title>By: Boanerges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boanerges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet it took Raph Koster a good 5 minutes to stop laughing after hearing this. Lucas has really shot any kind of venture like this in the foot. His newest movies and exploits are not really aimed at your prime MMO audience (Jar-Jar Binks anyone?). Add in the fact that the movies failed to live up to expectations from the fans of the original 3 movies and you&#039;ve got a recipe for mediocrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet it took Raph Koster a good 5 minutes to stop laughing after hearing this. Lucas has really shot any kind of venture like this in the foot. His newest movies and exploits are not really aimed at your prime MMO audience (Jar-Jar Binks anyone?). Add in the fact that the movies failed to live up to expectations from the fans of the original 3 movies and you&#8217;ve got a recipe for mediocrity.</p>
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