Comments on: Well, That's One Way To Avoid Pick Up Groups http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/ Random Comments About Gaming And Tractors Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Axecleaver http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-19416 Axecleaver Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:44:52 +0000 http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/#comment-19416 From reading that blog article, it looks like "support" includes: 1. Buying pimped out toons from competing uberguilds and giving them to guild members 2. Paying one guild member's rent for a while 3. Paying for some travel for a couple of guys - not sure where. 4. A monthly paycheck for 2-3 of the guild's leadership. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal if you can swing it. From reading that blog article, it looks like “support” includes:

1. Buying pimped out toons from competing uberguilds and giving them to guild members
2. Paying one guild member’s rent for a while
3. Paying for some travel for a couple of guys – not sure where.
4. A monthly paycheck for 2-3 of the guild’s leadership.

Sounds like a pretty sweet deal if you can swing it.

]]> By: Fraeg http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-19415 Fraeg Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:57:00 +0000 http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/#comment-19415 Compare say, "professional" competitive FPS players, to "traditional" athletes, and I would be at least be willing to sit down at the table and talk. But Pve guilds? Not a chance. In all the examples I see listed you are still actively in direct competition with other people: Billiards Poker Golf Bowling Knowing that somewhere on some server there is a guild trying to kill some code before your guild does, is in no way shape or form "competitive" in the sense that the person you are competing against just got a hole in one, is on the 8 ball and you have 2 balls left to sink, has a better hand than you and you have to bluff, just got a strike. Hey, I play MMOs, I enjoy raiding, and I enjoy pvp... However, I am not so delusional as to think getting the phat loots in Naxx puts me on par with Jordan, Woods, Phelps, Pele, Henderson etc. For MMOS one of the biggest stumbling blocks is that "power" is based on time spent in game and not skill. Practice soccer all the time and hey you become a better player. Catass non-stop in WoW and hey, you might become a better player, but the increase in your power is based more on the loot you acquire than your skill. OR bypass the system completely and hit up Ebay, spend some time learning the ropes on your fully decked out purchase and presto you can be uber. Which after reading someone's link sounds like what our dear friend the prince did. Compare say, “professional” competitive FPS players, to “traditional” athletes, and I would be at least be willing to sit down at the table and talk. But Pve guilds? Not a chance.

In all the examples I see listed you are still actively in direct competition with other people:
Billiards
Poker
Golf
Bowling

Knowing that somewhere on some server there is a guild trying to kill some code before your guild does, is in no way shape or form “competitive” in the sense that the person you are competing against just got a hole in one, is on the 8 ball and you have 2 balls left to sink, has a better hand than you and you have to bluff, just got a strike.

Hey, I play MMOs, I enjoy raiding, and I enjoy pvp… However, I am not so delusional as to think getting the phat loots in Naxx puts me on par with Jordan, Woods, Phelps, Pele, Henderson etc.

For MMOS one of the biggest stumbling blocks is that “power” is based on time spent in game and not skill. Practice soccer all the time and hey you become a better player. Catass non-stop in WoW and hey, you might become a better player, but the increase in your power is based more on the loot you acquire than your skill. OR bypass the system completely and hit up Ebay, spend some time learning the ropes on your fully decked out purchase and presto you can be uber. Which after reading someone’s link sounds like what our dear friend the prince did.

]]> By: Hatch http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-19414 Hatch Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:04:29 +0000 http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/#comment-19414 <blockquote cite="#commentbody-19135"> <strong><a href="#comment-19135" rel="nofollow">Lee Quillen</a> :</strong> “LOL at all the people buying into the whole “e-sport” marketing thing. Even golf takes some sort of physical training.” Then Poker or Billiards then. The fair comparison between these things is someone’s willingness to devote their personal resources to being the best at their particular hobby… and other’s willingness to watch/follow/admire the groups they put together. Regardless of our own personal take on their merits (their are plenty of people who think all things sports are a waste of time and money), the comparisons are fair within the confines of those qualities (People want to be the best, and have the best… and others are willing to give them some attention about it). </blockquote> I can't help but quantify it... WoW ubarplayer < semi pro amputee bowling competitor.

Lee Quillen :
“LOL at all the people buying into the whole “e-sport” marketing thing. Even golf takes some sort of physical training.”
Then Poker or Billiards then. The fair comparison between these things is someone’s willingness to devote their personal resources to being the best at their particular hobby… and other’s willingness to watch/follow/admire the groups they put together. Regardless of our own personal take on their merits (their are plenty of people who think all things sports are a waste of time and money), the comparisons are fair within the confines of those qualities (People want to be the best, and have the best… and others are willing to give them some attention about it).

I can’t help but quantify it… WoW ubarplayer < semi pro amputee bowling competitor.

]]> By: Lee Quillen http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-19413 Lee Quillen Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:00:26 +0000 http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/#comment-19413 "LOL at all the people buying into the whole “e-sport” marketing thing. Even golf takes some sort of physical training." Then Poker or Billiards then. The fair comparison between these things is someone's willingness to devote their personal resources to being the best at their particular hobby... and other's willingness to watch/follow/admire the groups they put together. Regardless of our own personal take on their merits (their are plenty of people who think all things sports are a waste of time and money), the comparisons are fair within the confines of those qualities (People want to be the best, and have the best... and others are willing to give them some attention about it). “LOL at all the people buying into the whole “e-sport” marketing thing. Even golf takes some sort of physical training.”

Then Poker or Billiards then. The fair comparison between these things is someone’s willingness to devote their personal resources to being the best at their particular hobby… and other’s willingness to watch/follow/admire the groups they put together. Regardless of our own personal take on their merits (their are plenty of people who think all things sports are a waste of time and money), the comparisons are fair within the confines of those qualities (People want to be the best, and have the best… and others are willing to give them some attention about it).

]]> By: Iconic http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-19412 Iconic Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:46:54 +0000 http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/#comment-19412 Not sure why the idea of "e-sport" is so offensive to some. As long as Blizzard is not catering their game to this phenomenon, it doesn't bother me. If I could get some one to pay me to play my favorite game 50 hours a week, I might do that. Not sure why the idea of “e-sport” is so offensive to some. As long as Blizzard is not catering their game to this phenomenon, it doesn’t bother me.

If I could get some one to pay me to play my favorite game 50 hours a week, I might do that.

]]> By: Cedia http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-19411 Cedia Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:22:26 +0000 http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/#comment-19411 LOL at all the people buying into the whole "e-sport" marketing thing. Even golf takes some sort of physical training. LOL at all the people buying into the whole “e-sport” marketing thing. Even golf takes some sort of physical training.

]]> By: The Claw http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-19410 The Claw Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:31:43 +0000 http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/#comment-19410 "..comparing Raiders of PVE content to people who are, you know, actualy playing competatively against other people.." Compare them to, say, professional golfers, then. Golf is a PvE sport. The competition with other players is to see who can beat the environment using the fewest strokes, not so different to raiders competing with other raiders to see who can beat the environment fastest. “..comparing Raiders of PVE content to people who are, you know, actualy playing competatively against other people..”

Compare them to, say, professional golfers, then. Golf is a PvE sport. The competition with other players is to see who can beat the environment using the fewest strokes, not so different to raiders competing with other raiders to see who can beat the environment fastest.

]]> By: Fraeg http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-19409 Fraeg Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:31:47 +0000 http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/#comment-19409 <blockquote cite="#commentbody-19107"> <strong><a href="#comment-19107" rel="nofollow">daslog </a> :</strong><BLOCKQUOTE cite="#commentbody-19060"> <STRONG><a href="#comment-19060" rel="nofollow">Fraeg</A> :</STRONG>“If this trend persists it could be the Fail of the Lich King.”Statements like this make me wonder how bad it must suck to define so much of your life, your merit, your worth, based on pixels. </BLOCKQUOTE> As opposed to making 100 million dollars throwing a ball and hitting it with a piece of wood</blockquote> are you trying to equate the Uber guild in question's members to professional athletes? While I would be the first to agree that in some sports athletes' rewards are obscene. However comparing Raiders of PVE content to people who are, you know, actualy playing competatively against other people is not even in the realm of apples to oranges.

daslog :

Fraeg :“If this trend persists it could be the Fail of the Lich King.”Statements like this make me wonder how bad it must suck to define so much of your life, your merit, your worth, based on pixels.

As opposed to making 100 million dollars throwing a ball and hitting it with a piece of wood

are you trying to equate the Uber guild in question’s members to professional athletes? While I would be the first to agree that in some sports athletes’ rewards are obscene. However comparing Raiders of PVE content to people who are, you know, actualy playing competatively against other people is not even in the realm of apples to oranges.

]]> By: Mercury http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-19408 Mercury Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:10:49 +0000 http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/#comment-19408 Yeah, go sue someone else for a change. They're copyright infringers for running the game after that breach, btw. No, really. Yeah, go sue someone else for a change. They’re copyright infringers for running the game after that breach, btw.

No, really.

]]> By: daslog http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/comment-page-1/#comment-19407 daslog Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:50:48 +0000 http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/17/well-thats-one-way-to-avoid-pick-up-groups/#comment-19407 <blockquote cite="#commentbody-19060"> <strong><a href="#comment-19060" rel="nofollow">Fraeg</a> :</strong> “If this trend persists it could be the Fail of the Lich King.” Statements like this make me wonder how bad it must suck to define so much of your life, your merit, your worth, based on pixels. </blockquote> As opposed to making 100 million dollars throwing a ball and hitting it with a piece of wood

Fraeg :
“If this trend persists it could be the Fail of the Lich King.”
Statements like this make me wonder how bad it must suck to define so much of your life, your merit, your worth, based on pixels.

As opposed to making 100 million dollars throwing a ball and hitting it with a piece of wood

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