Looks like EA is wondering where their subscribers went and has demanded someone change his tune.

For those who race to the end of a new game – what did you expect was going to happen? EQ, DAoC, EQ2, WoW, CoH, D&D online, and LoTRO all have proven each and every time that sprinting for the finish of a new game is just going to discourage you. Meanwhile I’ve been playing a lot, and enjoying the hell out of a variety of alts in Tiers 2 and 3 and some in Tier 4 as well. I have to admit there have been several instances in T4 where the combination of higher level powers pretty well break game balance. I don’t have an answer for that, but the game is still young.

All that said, I don’t think it will ever be the next WoW. You have to actually enjoy heeding the call of your realm to go out and bust heads when and where needed. Lots of people aren’t really wired for that aspect giving it a smaller population base. I still expect it to be successful and profitable for Mythic.

I was pretty hardcore 8v8. Logging into WAR was like being sentenced to a life term with WOW players in BG. In fact it wasn’t like it, I actually was doomed to sit in a BG all night with no real tactics playing with WOW players against WOW players. I can only describe this to non gamers as feeling like I was the only normal kid in a class for downs syndrome people.

Mist :
I don’t debate with obvious trolls.

No, you don’t debate at all, you just legend build. Kinda like Mark Jacobs when saying that “Mythic delivers more value for the money than any other MMORPG competitor” when annoucing two classes which were originally promised for realease while ignoring that one had to pay for at least 2 accounts in DAoC (buff bots) to be on par with other players.

@Axecleaver
That was indeed a big problem, people just DPS’ed something, it couldn’t be healed. Are the healing specced WPs and DoK’s helping with that?

I still can’t tell you exactly what the problem is – I think it has something to do with the railgun combat pace. Once you get to t4, people die early and often. Then they get back to the front lines very fast. I guess I was hoping for a slower, more tactical combat experience, and without that it’s hard to capture that “I can’t wait to get home from work and kill some elves” feeling.

So in DAoC you had your 100 vs 100 keep and relic battles and early in the morning 6 people took the relics back, a neverending conflict of bullshit, totally decoupled from the market, no real effects on the world, no extinction of the parties fighting each other possible and so on. RvR in DAoC was a RP racing simulator, nothing else. What kept it alive was a bunch of guilds running their 8-men parties – you can notice that alone by looking at the server populations and the annoucements of guilds to move from a particular server to a different one and the effect on a server population (at some point when too many active 8 vs 8 guilds moved off, many DAoC servers just died). I’d like to add that many of the 8 man guilds never cared for RvR, they only surfed the zerg to for easy realm points.

In Warhammer the endgame RvR is so horribly broken, it is EvE (exploit vs exploit).

Once upon a time EVE Online had a meaninful PvP, that went down the toilet with POS warfare, capital ship blobwarfare and the moon mining exploit.

All games have very enjoyable aspects, but the PvP is pretty pointless.

Please define meaningful PvP, but don’t use games based heavily on PvE for comparisons but Hasbro’s Risk instead – it had more PvP than DAoC or Warhammer will ever have.

EpicSquirt :
Mythic and meaningful PvP in one sentence – that made me cry.

It’s worthless comments like this that make me wonder why anyone would want to be a game developer. There’s been a total of 3 major NA titles with meaningful PvP and Mythic has made two of them. The problem with WAR isn’t a lack of meaning, its a lack of enjoyability. It’s the one PvP MMO I’ve played where winning isn’t noticably more fun than losing.