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		<title>Paul Barnett Throws Tomatoes At Coder On Webcam</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jennings</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, not literally: www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDGJrLzGlQ Some random points: I&#8217;m pretty sure this is the first serious MMO bug copped to via Youtube. I worked with Colin Shannon when I was at Mythic. He is one of the best programmers out there &#8230; <a href="http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/12/06/paul-barnett-throws-tomatoes-at-coder-on-webcam/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not <em>literally</em>:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDGJrLzGlQ">www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDGJrLzGlQ</a></p>
<p>Some random points:</p>
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<li>I&#8217;m pretty sure this is the first serious MMO bug copped to via Youtube.</li>
<li>I worked with Colin Shannon when I was at Mythic. He is one of the best programmers out there and Mythic is damned lucky to have him. Internet yutzes who clearly would NEVER leave a bug in an MMO EVER on all the MMOs THEY&#8217;VE coded? Kindly STFU, thanks.</li>
<li>Most of this video was, as usual, funny, in a veddy dry British Paul Barnett(tm) sort of way. This part was not:&#8221;<em>Now, code&#8217;s general plan has been to blame the designers for this. Now, I&#8217;m about to prove, definitively, that this is code&#8217;s fault. Watch&#8230; and learn.&#8221;</em>
<p><em></em>Yeeeeeeeah. It wasn&#8217;t funny, even if Colin (who in addition to being a great coder is also an almost supernaturally tolerant person) was up for it. You don&#8217;t even do that sort of thing in team meetings. Jokes like that <em>break morale like a twig.</em> I&#8217;ve seen dark jokes like that (and to be fair, participated in them) from both sides of the fence. As a coder, I had a, let us say, adversarial relationship with one particular designer. When trying to explain to him what was possible and not possible, the response was almost always &#8220;But I designed it that way!&#8221; Which became such a tag line I finally wrote it on my whiteboard. Note: this was not a healthy relationship. And I guarantee you that there are team members who are <em>not</em> laughing when watching that video. Though they may be writing things on whiteboards.</p>
<p>Note to Mythic: I love you guys, but Designer vs Coder isn&#8217;t a valid playstyle.</li>
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<p>Mark Jacobs&#8217; <a href="http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2898429#post2898429">response</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Folks,</p>
<p>Paul and Colin were trying to be funny. That&#8217;s Paul&#8217;s style and Colin is one of our most trusted, talented and valued guys. If they can poke a little fun at things&#8230;</p>
<p>And by the way, Paul also makes fun of himself and doesn&#8217;t take himself too seriously (well, most of the time <img class="inlineimg" title="Smile" src="http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" border="0" alt="" /> ).</p>
<p>Bugs happen, design errors happen and nobody&#8217;s perfect. Well, except for some folks on the Internet who never make mistakes at their jobs and neither should anybody according to their posts. <img class="inlineimg" title="Smile" src="http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" border="0" alt="" /></p>
<p>A sense of humor is a wonderful thing and necessary, especially nowadays.</p>
<p>Mark</p></blockquote>
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