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		<title>Let Us Treat This Like We Were A Family: Cover It In A Dark, Hidden Place, And Never Speak Of This Again</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jennings</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, um, yeah, 400+ comments. Let&#8217;s look at some takeaways. Things We Learned About Yon Humble Correspondent: I&#8217;m stupid. I suck at moderating blogs. I don&#8217;t carry through on my threats. Things We Learned About Yon Prokofy Neva: tl;dr personified. &#8230; <a href="http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/03/16/let-us-treat-this-like-we-were-a-family-cover-it-in-a-dark-hidden-place-and-never-speak-of-this-again/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, um, yeah, <a href="http://brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/">400+ comments.</a> Let&#8217;s look at some takeaways.</p>
<p>Things We Learned About Yon Humble Correspondent:</p>
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<li><a href="http://brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/#comment-34955">I&#8217;m stupid.</a></li>
<li><a href="http://fleeep.net/blog/?p=342">I suck at moderating blogs.</a></li>
<li><a href="http://brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/#comment-34958">I don&#8217;t carry through on my threats</a>.</li>
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<p>Things We Learned About Yon Prokofy Neva:</p>
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<li><a href="http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2008/03/the-tekkies-try.html">tl;dr personified</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/#comment-34975">Can actually post a comment without personal attacks</a>. (mind you, it&#8217;s a rare and special event and should be treasured)</li>
<li><a href="http://brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/#comment-34762">Usually doesn&#8217;t</a>.</li>
<li>Most people, frustrated at Neva&#8217;s <a href="http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2007/08/my-enemies-list.html">personal attacks in the past</a>, resort to <a href="http://brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/#comment-34730">personal attacks in the present</a>, which Neva uses as justification as <a href="http://brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/#comment-34747">even more personal attacks in the future</a>.
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<li>Thus, Prokofy Neva has established a <a href="http://www.timecube.com/">timecube</a>.</li>
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<p>Things We Learned About Games and Virtual Worlds:</p>
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<li>Users of games see virtual worlds as <a href="http://brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/#comment-34741">somewhat boring games</a>.</li>
<li>Users of virtual worlds see games as <a href="http://brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/#comment-35025">somewhat shallow</a> <a href="http://brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/#comment-35147">virtual worlds</a>.</li>
<li>Both users tend to <a href="http://brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/#comment-34714">impose their grammar</a> on the other, <a href="http://brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/#comment-35009">sometimes violently</a>.</li>
<li>Both groups of users <a href="http://brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/#comment-34880">see the opposing group as a threat.</a>
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<li>Which, really, was the entire thrust of Prokofy Neva&#8217;s initial post: <a href="http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2008/03/bartle-the-scri.html">a virtual worlds user feeling threatened by a &#8220;game god&#8221; theorist</a>.</li>
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<p>Things You May Not Have Known About Yon Humble Blogger&#8217;s Comments Policy:</p>
<ul>
<li>I really, really dislike censorship.</li>
<li>I will rarely, if ever, intervene in the cut and thrust of a good argument.</li>
<li>Sometimes I&#8217;ll break this policy to pour more oil on a fire.</li>
<li>Ironically, this may make this blog the one safe space on the Internet for Prokofy Neva to post in that she doesn&#8217;t own.</li>
<li>Incessant personal attacks (as seen on both sides of the previous post) may cause me to rethink this policy.
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<li>But probably not, as it involves a lot of work, and I&#8217;m pretty lazy.</li>
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<p>Things We Learned About Ourselves:</p>
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<li>Taemojitsu really, really, really likes posting comments on this blog.</li>
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		<title>Prokofywatch: Richard Bartle Is An Evil Marxist Racist Roundeye</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jennings</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most people on the Interweb are fairly normal. You know, they post pictures of their cats, sometimes they gossip about work, sometimes they bitch about politics. Much like people everywhere. Some people on the net are&#8230; well, quite obviously crazy. &#8230; <a href="http://www.brokentoys.org/2008/03/10/prokofywatch-richard-bartle-is-an-evil-marxist-racist-roundeye/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people on the Interweb are fairly normal. You know, they post pictures of their cats, sometimes they gossip about work, sometimes they bitch about politics. Much like people everywhere.</p>
<p>Some people on the net are&#8230; well, quite obviously crazy. You know the ones, it&#8217;s usually something about the patriarchy or the dangers of fundamentalist preachers or intelligent insect armies or long, disturbing fantasies about family members getting it on with each other. And that&#8217;s just <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein">science fiction writers</a>.</p>
<p>Then you get the ones that are like speakers of foreign languages that you kind of sort of know. You cock your head to one side, because it sounds like they <em>should</em> be making sense, using words that you&#8217;re pretty sure are used by normal educated people, but put together differently.  Until finally, after in-depth analysis, you realize that dear God, you just wasted your time, because this person isn&#8217;t just misunderstood, they really <em>don&#8217;t</em> make any sense.</p>
<p>As part of that, I give you Prokofy Neva, probably Second Life&#8217;s most infamous avatar and certainly one of its <a href="http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-02/mf_goons?currentPage=3">most interviewed by the mass media</a>. There&#8217;s not usually much to comment about Neva&#8217;s blogs (yes, she <a href="http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/">has</a> <a href="http://slrecord.typepad.com/">three</a> <a href="http://3dblogger.typepad.com/">now</a>), mainly because she focuses absolutely on Second Life and treats other endeavours like MMORPGs and Wikipedia as ridiculous or evil or, usually, both. In fact, pretty much anything Neva doesn&#8217;t understand, or hasn&#8217;t heard of, she treats as dismissively unimportant. Like, say, SXSW, a live music and film festival that shuts Austin&#8217;s traffic and parking down on a yearly basis. Oh, wait, no, it&#8217;s <a href="http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2008/03/the-children-ea.html">not important</a>!</p>
<blockquote><p>While tekkies and geeks everywhere thinks SXSW is the epitome of culture, it isn&#8217;t really, because not only have most normal people never heard of it (it&#8217;s in Austin, Texas and a few thousand people go bar-hopping and watch movies and hear panels about games at it annually), those that have wonder privately if it has peaked.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, <em>that</em> explains it, I suppose.</p>
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<p>However, apparently Richard Bartle made the mistake of giving an interview in Second Life, and in so doing, attracting <a href="http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2008/03/bartle-the-scri.html">the gaze of the lidless eye</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>How *could* Richard Bartle and his MUDs and whatnot have anything to do with Metanomics when Richard Bartle, as a good British socialist and intrinsic Marxist (although he&#8217;d deny everything but the British part likely) is opposed to virtual economies. He really really hates RMT, and he wants to set up a giant commission in the sky to scold REALLY hard all those nasty smug little Chinese boys that go around gold-farming and interrupting everybody&#8217;s game! For shame! Shame, shame, little Chinese boys (and Western round-eyes who do the same thing, essentially, in Second Life or some place). Shame! Maybe if we all hold hands and chant STOP THE GOLD FARMING, KILL THE RMT really really hard, we can make Tinkerbell wake up and prevent money from leaking into and out of games! Evil money! Evil capitalism!</p></blockquote>
<p>As I said, Prokofy looks at everything through the Second Life filter. People make money in Second Life. Therefore making money is good. Why would people be against making money anywhere else? Not that anywhere else actually matters, or that you&#8217;ve heard of. But Bartle&#8217;s said that he&#8217;s against RMT in games, and people call Second Life a game, therefore, burn the heretic! Plus, he&#8217;s English so he&#8217;s probably a Commie. Or gay. No, better go with commie. They&#8217;re all lefties there, donchanow.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>But, we get some clarity as to what Neva is on about: it seems Bartle didn&#8217;t speak up when they came for the Jews, or something.</p>
<blockquote><p>Or, he could have said, &#8220;Yes, we&#8217;ve seen such a textbook example of the dynamics of griefing in that utter savaging of you on Terra Nova in the w-hat thread, and the solution should be not banning people but enabling them speak in defense of themselves, to have good speech drive out bad eventually.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Instead, he began this total nihilist Marxian rant about the impossiblity of ever having any sort of agreed-upon morality such as to define some minimal code of behaviour (he wasn&#8217;t even willing to concede a game-god&#8217;s TOS, it was wacky).</p>
<p>[Let us pause for a Moment of Reflection, and recall that when it came to RMT...evil little Chinese boys...gold...there WAS an absolute, rock-solid, non-subjective, absolutely objective moral imperative which we could all invoke, which was (*holds up Cross*): evil, evil game gold mined by evil evil kiddies disrupting the game and CHEATING *gasp*!)</p>
<p>But griefing? Naaah, no moral imperative. It&#8217;s anything goes. P.S. this is a good example why socialism always and inevitably turns to crime.</p>
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<p>Note that Prokofy Neva is one of the few people actually banned from commenting on Terra Nova. Note that Richard Bartle is on Terra Nova&#8217;s masthead. AT LAST ALL IS CLEAR.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>But just in case you still were confused, Prokofy Neva finally drives a stake in the Bartle Player Types!</p>
<blockquote><p>Unfortunately, with the usual crashes and lags and idiocies, I couldn&#8217;t get more than about half of what he was saying, but he did dwell quite a bit (because unfortunately Robert Bloomfield set him up to dwell on it) on these four avatar classes in games, which were something like, um, let me think now: Asian, African, American, Middle Eastern. No wait. Man Boy Women Girl. Wait. Let me check my notes. Explorer. Doer. Uhhhh Entitlement-Happy Clueless Git Nutsack. And uh&#8230;</p>
<p> </p>
<p>What was it again?</p>
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<p>Remember kids, what we don&#8217;t understand? We mock. And I really, really don&#8217;t understand Prokofy Neva.</p>
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